How to Make the Best Tincture Ever!

There are a variety of CBD products that are rapidly gaining popularity, and tinctures are among them. While many customers may know what they want in a CBD tincture, they may not know to make CBD tincture – let alone how they are extracted.

There are a number of factors that make tinctures a popular product in the hemp and cannabis industry. The sublingual use of tinctures has the second fastest bioavailability (absorption of CBD) in the body compared to inhalation of smoke or vapor. However, many turn to tinctures to mitigate the potential risks of inhaled CBD products, making it a safe, effective option for everyone interested in CBD use.

That being said, producers have needed to adapt to the market of CBD products – including tinctures – in order to maintain profitability and quality reputation. One major factor when considering how to make CBD tincture is the extraction method by which they create their products – among the major methods being ethanol and CO2 extraction. The fact of the matter is that these extraction methods vary in their efficiency to create quality tinctures.

If you’ve ever wondered how tinctures are made, what makes a quality tincture, or what makes a tincture safe, join Dr. Jon and Randall Thompson as they walk through how to make the best tincture possible. You will learn about distillate and isolate formulations, how to use terpenes properly, and how tinctures are made safely and easily with the highest possible quality.

LISTEN to this episode:

[00:00] – Welcome to the RND Lab
[02:22] – Initial Setup
[04:20] – How to Make CBD Tinctures
[06:05] – Types of CBD Used in Tinctures
[13:18] – Does Extraction Method for CBD Oil Make a Difference?
[16:00] – How to know how much to take?
[17:25] – Can you process just with pressure or do you need to process with a solvent?
[20:34] – Dosing Calculator: extraktLab.com/calculators
[24:05] – Tasting Tinctures
[31:14] – Chemist Specific White papers
[32:38] – Lab: Ethanol Extract Biomass
[37:37] – Different Tincture Flavors
[42:20] – CBD Product to use in Tinctures
[43:48] – Do you only have to use alcohol?
[45:00] – The extracted material
[48:48] – CBD Tincture Buffet
[56:36] – Recap
[59:20] – Is there an optimal thinner for vape oils?
[01:00:30] – Nano emulsification?
[01:02:45] – Final Words

Welcome to extrakTALKS with Dr. Jon podcast. Dr. Jon is CEO and president of extraktLAB and United Science – an industry leader in hemp, cannabis and the extraction industry. Listen closely as Dr. Jon talks about his experiences, CBD extraction methodology and the ins and outs of owning your own business. Dr. Jon teaches you healthy business practices, how to increase your profits and steps to take your CBD company to a whole new level. Let’s dive in.

 

Randall Thompson  00:35

Hey guys, welcome. We’re in the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  00:38

We are

 

Randall Thompson  00:39

cool.

 

Dr. Jon  00:39

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  00:40

we’re here. We’re here and we’re completely garbed out.

 

Dr. Jon  00:44

Make sure everybody button up

 

Randall Thompson  00:45

I buttoned all the way up to the top.

 

Dr. Jon  00:47

They even made us put the masks or the hair nets on

 

Randall Thompson  00:50

and the gloves. I now have a medium and a large I used to have a large and a small that it was

 

Dr. Jon  00:58

uncomfortable.

 

Randall Thompson  00:58

It was a little odd Okay, welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

 

Dr. Jon  01:03

Oh, yes,

 

Randall Thompson  01:04

I’m looking at different cameras. Sorry. Okay. We’re in the r&d Lab. Dr. Jon, Randall, here we are. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We’re going to talk about how to make the best tincture ever,

 

Dr. Jon  01:18

ever,

 

Randall Thompson  01:19

ever. Good. And it’s odd because we had music gone, we had a blast, and we had moments ago, and then it went away. If you’re here for the first time, don’t forget top red button. You can just hit if it’s a frozen screen or whatever, just hit that reconnect button, and it won’t bounce you out anything. I’ll just refresh the screen. That’s good. Introduce yourself in the chat. Get there. Ask questions about tinctures. We’re here. This is a fun and safe place. Make sure you introduce yourself who you are and where you are in the process. Whether you’re a farmer, a chemist, a processor a co Packer, whether you’re in r&d whether you’re formulating What are you doing let us know right, no holds barred questions. Go ahead and ask anything simple or tough questions join the chat invite your friends there will be a replay there will be a replay there will be a replay so I know Dr. Jon you’ve got you’ve actually got prep

 

Dr. Jon  02:13

yeah we do we have we have some prep.

 

Randall Thompson  02:14

Okay You look so serious

 

Dr. Jon  02:16

Yeah. Oh my god. I have been working on this tincture thing since six o’clock this morning. been blowing it up it’s gonna be good we got hey can you guys pan all this wonderful stuff we got here look at the Look at this. We got it all set up.

 

Randall Thompson  02:30

It is so cool.

 

Dr. Jon  02:31

We got isolate. We got distillate we got flavors. We got existing tinctures here.

 

Randall Thompson  02:37

I’m terrified I’m gonna break something.

 

Dr. Jon  02:39

I don’t know this.

 

Randall Thompson  02:39

It’s gonna happen. I’m going to break.

 

Dr. Jon  02:42

It’s all right.

 

Randall Thompson  02:42

totally gonna break out. Okay. All right. So I’m going to let you go. Oh, but we ICBC virtual event Adam young in Colorado Springs. Congratulations. You are this week’s winner. Jared will reach out to you. Do we know what he won? What did we win? grab bag grab a grab bag sweet. I think you’ll put it in this large glove.

 

Dr. Jon  03:04

Put some gloves in there. Well yeah, we’ll put a p p and some gloves in there.

 

Randall Thompson  03:09

Adam young Colorado Springs congratulations at the ICBC virtual event. We’re good. Okay, don’t forget read lots of resources live tour CBD jam sessions where you guys are lighting it up. You’re asking us a lot of really cool questions on those jam sessions and things. Advanced extraction guide distillation guide calculator library is live you

 

Dr. Jon  03:28

guys live Oh my god, Ben. burnin up

 

Randall Thompson  03:31

burnin it.

 

Dr. Jon  03:32

Hundreds of people on there. So it’s been it’s been great.

 

Randall Thompson  03:34

And we’re adding the mini courses to come. So good. All right. All right.

 

Dr. Jon  03:40

So yeah, so let’s, uh, let’s get into this. This is probably one of those one of those sessions where we’re, we’re, it’s kind of more loosey goosey.

 

Randall Thompson  03:49

So I only know I only have the youngers where

 

Dr. Jon  03:52

I only have like three slides and a couple tables.

 

Randall Thompson  03:55

Oh, awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  03:56

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  03:58

Okay. I didn’t see you. I know. I was I was showing you my eyes glazed over Look,

 

Dr. Jon  04:04

how do I get how do I get my wonderful presentation up here? Because people are going to be excited about these calculators if they’re at all making tinctures and then we’re going to get into some tasting. And then we’re going to make our own.

 

Randall Thompson  04:15

You’re gonna make me taste the bad

 

Dr. Jon  04:17

I’m gonna make it taste it. No, I’m gonna make it taste good stuff. I got I got cuts. I got Cal leaf. I got homeless stuff here.

 

Randall Thompson  04:23

Remember last week you said oh, this is horrible taste this that’s, that’s what I’m expecting.

 

Dr. Jon  04:30

Okay, number one, guys. You’re gonna make your own tinctures you got to make sure your bio mass or your CBD oil has been decarboxylated first Okay, otherwise it’s not going to be able to be absorbed into your body to let you know that so what that means

 

Randall Thompson  04:42

I didn’t know that

 

Dr. Jon  04:43

Yeah, what that means is that you need to bring it through a process of decarboxylation so you know whether if you have a distillate it’s very likely already decarboxylated almost all distillate is decarboxylated for sure. Okay, if you have just like for example, some some some biomass you’re gonna Don’t want to kind of warm it up, you’re gonna want to cook it at 150 degrees for about an hour that’ll decarboxylated or if you have some crude that you’ve taken from like an ethanol tincture or something like that, you’re gonna have to remove the ethanol and cook the living daylights out of the oil in that that will basically decarboxylated Okay, so, first step in making a tincture obviously is decarboxylated. Either your biomass or your CBD oil, just so you guys know that it’s very important, otherwise they’re not going to be there’s going to be what they call mal absorption. Yeah, not going to be very good. Okay, if you’re using CBD oil, you can follow a recipe that you create using our kick. calculators,

 

Randall Thompson  05:33

kit, calculators, kick

 

Dr. Jon  05:35

calculators, yeah, they’re really great. If you are using CBD biomass, you need to extract it. So we’re going to go over some of those calculators. And then once you have this wonderful oil of some kind, and we’ll go over different ways to make that of course, you guys. There’s different ways to do that. Then then you can calculate your dosage using our dosing calculator. Okay, so this is gonna be a lot of fun. And then step four, Obviously is enjoy it

 

Randall Thompson  06:01

awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  06:01

So that’s pretty great.

 

Randall Thompson  06:02

That’s That’s my favorite part.

 

Dr. Jon  06:04

There’s a small list okay, so a lot of people ask us in the past you know what CBD should we use in tinctures? Should we use isolate? Should we use distillate should we use winterised? Should we use broad spectrum of them are perfectly fine to use in a tincture, it’s just you might get some different different things happening with that. So like for example, with isolate, isolate is the most straightforward one to use within a tincture, okay. And what’s nice about it is that potency is pretty high, but it doesn’t have any terpenes. So you’ll have to add some of your terpenes that you gather up in a different process and you need to add those in. I’ll give you an example what that looks like here. Here you can see these are pure, pure terpenes. They come from a decarboxylation process, which is essentially vacuum distillation. And so they don’t, they don’t have any THC or CBD in them but they are they are straight from the hemp plant. They have all of the full spectrum of terpenes there so you can add those into your isolates to make like dabs you can add them into your isolate to make

 

Randall Thompson  07:08

Those smell Great,

 

Dr. Jon  07:09

they smell crazy good,

 

Randall Thompson  07:11

crazy good.

 

Dr. Jon  07:11

Yeah so terpenes there are some you know, sometimes with isolate depending on what isolate you are, you’re extracting from. Typically you will always have some minors in there. Like, if it’s 99% pure CBD you’ll probably maybe have 1% minors or you know, and when I say minor cannabinoids, I mean CBN CBG, CBC CBG, you know, some of the minors will also be in there, but they’re very, very trace, they’re very low, low level there, just because of the way isolate is processed, you do have a residual risk. So be very careful about that. I am a total anti anti residual type of person. So the way that is processed with nonpolar solvents and stuff like that, I don’t I don’t like it. So I don’t prefer an isolate tincture. I prefer something more natural but a lot of people use it because you know, like if you’re using a crude or winterize or broad spectrum you really talking about the natural flavors of the plant in there so you know you know a lot of people want to mask that and in overpower it with like a strawberry flavor or a chocolate flavor or something like that people also use distillate and when you use distillate in your in manufacturing you just have to correct for you have to know how much CBD is in your distillate right otherwise you wouldn’t know how to dose it and I’ll show you a calculator that we put together for manufacturing and what that really means. So suffice it to say it does have some of those minor cannabinoids, it does have some of the longer chain longer longer isoprene The larger the larger terpenes in there so yes it does have some terpenes in it but it doesn’t have the more volatile ones which are the die tries things like that and then residual risk if you there’s always a residual risk with distillate we’ve we’ve done pretty large study on you know distillates and and you do see some of those residuals making it all the way through the distillate even if they are volatile, organic solvents So, but it’s it really varies about 25% of the manufacturers that we survey their distillate had some sort of contaminant in there. So, when you buy distillate, you just want to make sure that you are basically contaminant and solvent free. And then winterized. decarboxylated oil 50 to 70%. Of course terpenes Yes, you got lots of terpenes in there. It may also have some minors in there and have residual risk if you if you are using co2 oils, and using food grade oils that don’t have residuals in them. You might have a ethanol residual though, so you want to make sure that that’s all taken out of there. broad spectrum is basically a THC free distillate. Typically you would take the distillate and you take the THC out of it, you do that with either chromatography or solvent techniques, one of the two to decide which one you want to use, you know, we use chromatography here because it’s more clean than using a solvent. So we try to stay away from acetone, heptane, hexane or anything else that’s going to get into your body with unknown consequences to the To the endocrine system or to anything else you know you’re trying to get to the point where where where we’re not taking in eating chemicals we’re trying to do that

 

Randall Thompson  10:08

that’s a good thing

 

Dr. Jon  10:09

better living through chemicals only applies if you live in the laboratory and then ethanol extract Yes, you can do where to show you how to make a tincture like with an ethanol extract. The definition of a tincture is essentially an ethanol extract Okay, it’s or it’s a if it’s an active with in in ethanol, okay, and most people don’t like to have tinctures like real tinctures because they burn you know,

 

Randall Thompson  10:34

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  10:35

yeah, yeah, they don’t they really burn they don’t taste very good because they’re overwhelmed by the burn. A lot of people don’t, you know, for example, you know, make tinctures but they are medically used all over all over the world. Sure. So and in the pharmaceutical world, so alright, so that’s the type of CBD using the tincture, which one is best. I think that they all you can see that they’re all they all have different, different things to bring to the table. Like the isolate would be used if you want to have overpowering like berry flavors and things like that. And you don’t want to have any plant flavor in there. If you want to have some plant flavor in there, you know you’re going to have to either hit the distillate, the winterized oil or the broad spectrum. If you’re not going to want to have any THC in there, you’re going to want to use broad spectrum. winterized is probably the best or crude oil could also be used and that’s the closest to the plant out obviously, co2 oils directly out of crude or directly out of a co2 extractor that has been pre-decarboxylated and you can use that right in your tincture. In my view, that’s the cleanest possible, but you’re also getting a lot of plant plant flavors.

 

Randall Thompson  11:40

There’s a good flavor, but it’s a lower potency. It’s so

 

Dr. Jon  11:43

yeah, it’s a lower potency also but you can make it you can make the potency however you want because you’re diluting obviously with with oil so that that’s what that is and so basically what’s awesome about this is that if you have you know 50 flavors, you have different types of isolate, you have You know, different types of terpenes. Really, there’s a lot of different combinations. This is where CBD formulation gets a lot of fun. Because you’re able to test and try you’re able to come up with something unique. There’s a, you know, any there are 100 factorial different, you know, different combinations. So your combination can actually be unique. And, you know, if you like it, people like it, they’ll taste it and like, wow, this is really great. So yeah, we’ve we went out we bought a whole bunch of tinctures we taste them. Some of them were, like, you know, Au Natural.

 

Randall Thompson  12:32

Oh, yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  12:33

And they were a little bit tough from the standpoint didn’t taste very good, right. So we, we I always kind of like okay, I liked it. I liked the stuff that tastes really good. And I do like the natural hemp flavor too. So that’s just my bias. So what does an extraction method for CBD- Why does it make a difference? Well, just to summarize it for you have purity is important, Unknown, and knownb residual solvent should be avoided. So this, this is where if you’re on the market, and you’re buying for Example crude oil, you’re buying distillate, and they give you a report that says, hey, this is this is really great. I would double test that because I don’t trust residuals. Your laboratory will not test for unknown residuals. That’s a big deal. And if it’s not on their list, they’ll say it’s pure. It’s clean. It passes. Oh, and that’s a problem. I think it’s a huge problem.

 

Randall Thompson  13:21

It is a problem.

 

Dr. Jon  13:22

It most definitely is a problem. Okay, because, you know, there’s just an infinite number of things. What if I use something that wasn’t in the list, you know, like methylene chloride or dimethyl . Oh, dimethyl Badgett, we have that okay. Or an organic is better. Organic is better. It is just this because, you know, it’s, it’s made with agricultural practices that that don’t use pesticides or insecticides. And so you’re really reducing or eliminating that risk. So, hey, anything you can do to make your CBD tincture? The most healthy tincture possible is the best way

 

Randall Thompson  13:58

Absolutely. And the residual thing I mean, I agree with you the residual thing is, is bad. And we’ve talked about this in od nauseum in previous episodes but if you’re taking multiple doses a day of CBD or a tincture or taking that over time, oh my gosh, you’re, you’re ingesting way over the limit that they want right over time.

 

Dr. Jon  14:22

Right.

 

Randall Thompson  14:22

And that’s just bad stuff.

 

Dr. Jon  14:24

Right, right. Exactly. Well, yeah. And they don’t have any basis for the limits in the first place. Yeah. So there’s, there’s, you know, there’s no studies and so they’re their modus operandi is interestingly enough, Oh, we don’t have any data on it. So 5000 ppm is okay. You know, that that’s, you guys have heard me rant about that a lot. And you know, whatever. You know, does it actually happen in practice, though? The answer is Yeah, it does

 

Randall Thompson  14:48

all the time.

 

Dr. Jon  14:48

Yeah, it does. We we got a whole bunch of extracts. We got a whole bunch of, you know, distillates and stuff. Yeah, we see the stuff in there. You can see it. Yeah, look, we analytical chemists. We See everything? Yeah, okay, you there’s no hiding.

 

Randall Thompson  15:02

Yeah. And we’ve got, by the way, we’ve got chemists from Europe. We’ve got chemists from Ohio, Nicholas and Ed. Hopefully I said that correctly. And we’ve got Barney here. And we got questions coming all over the place. So thank you for being here. It’s awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  15:19

Right. Thank you. So anyway, so that’s that, I think, let me see here. So, people always want to know how much to take. Okay, so it’s based on body weight, it’s based on delivery method, and it’s based on that condition that’s being addressed. Okay. So, you know, like, for example, with some forms of epilepsy, I know that you know, the dosage is quite high, like really high. Well, so, what’s cool about the cannabinoids is that you’re not gonna die from it. Yeah, okay. Nobody has ever died. For example, from from cannabinoid overdosage that I know of, I don’t think that there is someone knows, please put it in the notes.

 

Randall Thompson  15:54

That’ll be interesting.

 

Dr. Jon  15:55

But you know, people have died from alcohol. People have died from other things, but they haven’t died from that. You could, you could Be, you could be, you know, you could be taking so much of it that, you know, you you would have an adverse reaction. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying

 

Randall Thompson  16:09

that would be a mal-reaction.

 

Dr. Jon  16:10

Yes, yes. So that would be a mal reaction. Okay, so let’s get to some calculators and then we’ll get into the fun stuff, which is basically sampling and mixing. Crazy.

 

Randall Thompson  16:21

Awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  16:22

So let me see here, where it’s on the website.

 

Randall Thompson  16:28

Technical, we’re moving it and this is awesome, by the way. Also, as we’re going, you know what, there’s a couple of questions that were coming in as we’re moving to the calculators. And that is, can you process just with pressure or do you need to process with a solvent?

 

Dr. Jon  16:51

I wonder what that means. It’s, it’s tough to understand what that means if I mean, okay, we talked about methods last week. In methods are, basically you have your technique plus your temperature and your pressure conditions, right. And that’s put putting those together with a piece of equipment that has been calibrated and has operating procedures and trained personnel. That’s a method. Okay. So if you are going to talk about different ways to change, you know, like, for example, I could, I could increase the pressure or I could decrease the pressure, I could change my solvent. I could use a different solvent. Sure. Yeah. There’s there’s lots of different options for me. So yeah, you. Look, there’s the sky’s the limit when it comes to when it comes to making your different methods.

 

Randall Thompson  17:38

Sure. All right. And we can talk about that. And for Barney, if you want to watch the last episode we did on processes and things that would be awesome. It’s in our blog, and you can connect there or on our YouTube channel. That would be good. And then we’re talking about I think we address some of these Where you get all of the cannabinoids and flavonoids in the processes and where they are and what they would need?

 

Dr. Jon  18:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so yeah, we can we can talk about that. I’ll talk about that as we’re tasting and perfect stuff like that. All right. All right, good. Good. Thanks for the questions, by the way. All right. So look here, here’s our calculators page, you can go to our website, calculators are at the top, and then scroll down.

 

Randall Thompson  18:24

That’s fun. Okay. Also, again, it’s really good to see you guys from Europe, from all over the country. This is This is good stuff. And we are going to announce our topic later in the show. But if you have any topics you want us to cover, let us know for future episodes. And you know, maybe there is a prize and if you as well we’re going to do next week because yeah, I’m I’m held. I’m been bound. I can’t speak right, uh, later on the show, right? So we’re good. I still am terrified. I’m going to break something.

 

Dr. Jon  18:59

Oh, that’s all right. Hey, you know what? We can do the calculators later. Look, I can just look it’s it’s there’s some technical difficulties that we’re having, which it does happen. Actually, this is the first time that that’s happened overall horrible.

 

Randall Thompson  19:12

Oh my gosh, I have technical difficulties in my brain all the time.

 

Dr. Jon  19:17

All right, well, let’s I will narrate them, and then we’ll then we’ll take it from there. How about that, guys? So, hey, so what I’d like you guys to do, it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a lot of fun. I’d like you to go to the calculators page. And if you scroll down to the bottom, there’s two calculators. One is a dosing calculator. And the other is how to manufacture a tincture calculator. Okay, and I’ll go through the dosing calculator First, let’s just kind of you guys open that up. Now the way to do it from memory

 

Randall Thompson  19:47

extraktlab.com  extraktlab.com/calculators, right?

 

Dr. Jon  19:54

Right, right, right. Okay, let’s do it. Okay, so the dosing calculator, let’s take Talk about that one first. Your the dose that you would have is really dependent upon the weight of your of the weight of your body. Okay, so if you put in your pounds how many pounds you are, you have to convert it if you’re in Europe to kilograms, it’s just divided by two times 2.2 I think so and that’ll give you your kilograms weight. You need to put in your weight in pounds. So that’s a that’s a 200 pounds or 100 pounds. You put that in there, then you decide what dosage your tincture is. So if if there’s a usually the tinctures are about 30 milliliters, okay. And and they have usually they’re about 33 milligrams per milliliter or 33 milligrams per serving. And a one serving is typically right around one milliliter. Okay, yeah. So you have to put that in there. And then you push the calculate button, you got to put in some stuff and it’ll tell you how you know basically, what the maximum amount you have. It’ll tell you what your dosages for high, medium and low dosage. It’ll tell you For example, what is your, you know, how many milligrams you would take per day? It’s got a whole bunch of figures in there for high, medium and low dosage. So how are we doing James?

 

Randall Thompson  21:11

And, and we’re close. One of the things that are is our technical difficulty is we are in the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  21:17

Yeah, I think that’s a that is an ad. We switched it at the last minute. Oh, man.

 

Randall Thompson  21:21

Yeah. So we’ve got usually in the other studio, we’ve got, you know, plugins and everything. And now we’re going kind of Wi Fi.

 

Dr. Jon  21:29

Yeah. So all right.

 

Randall Thompson  21:31

I know that that’s part of the issue.  and Quick, quick question. Yeah. Okay. So when we’re talking about body weight, my weight is about 165. Right when you add my ego out to about 300 pounds,

 

Dr. Jon  21:44

okay.

 

Randall Thompson  21:44

It’s like, Alright, three, click. Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  21:48

Hey, the calculator that’s up is the wrong calculator. Did you know that? Oh, you didn’t know that.

 

21:53

Okay. He doesn’t know. What do we do when

 

Randall Thompson  21:56

I just when I when I mentioned those kinds of things. know whether he’s paying attention. even hear a word I said,

 

Dr. Jon  22:04

No. I did not.

 

Randall Thompson  22:07

That’s when I get away with so much shit. I can’t even tell you. Man, why didn’t I ask a really good question. I don’t know, hey, I’ve got a really good client who needs a discount? Okay, sure he hears that I hear that.

 

Dr. Jon  22:21

Okay. All right. Let’s just skip this because it’s not working. So Alright, we’re gonna skip it. Sorry guys. I all like all the calculator mango that I did this morning. It’s, it’s all there for your enjoyment. So go ahead, take and explore it and, and we’re just gonna start trying out something.

 

Randall Thompson  22:41

Okay, so now what this means is this is rather than the calculator, it’s just trial and error. And I’m the guinea pig. Am I the test?

 

Dr. Jon  22:48

You’re the test. Oh, you’re the test.

 

Randall Thompson  22:50

Thanks. So okay, just so all of you guys know in the room here. Thanks. Okay. All right.

 

Dr. Jon  22:56

So let’s let’s do some tasting first. Okay. So this right here, here, there’s some different tinctures here. That’s it. That’s a Holus tincture right there. This is a Holus tincture.  Yeah. What does it say? Like

 

Randall Thompson  23:06

it says Key Lime

 

Dr. Jon  23:07

key lime, we got strawberry. Okay, so I’m gonna try a strawberry

 

Randall Thompson  23:11

16.5 milligram serving of key lime. Also, there’s a brand spanking new.

 

Dr. Jon  23:17

Okay, this is kind of interesting to see if you can take a look at this. So you can see this is almost clear. It’s got a slight color to it. Let’s see here, if you can see that. And then yeah, it’s it’s see it’s strawberry. So let’s see if I can taste it. This is typically what you do is you hold it under your tongue for like, 30 to 40 seconds.

 

Randall Thompson  23:41

I hold it for two minutes. It’s it’s better.

 

Dr. Jon  23:43

Two minutes.

 

Randall Thompson  23:44

Yeah, two minutes. I can hold my breath for two minutes. I won’t do that now.

 

Dr. Jon  23:54

Actually, it’s kind of funny watching people take tinctures

 

Randall Thompson  23:58

I thought I just go Key lime. You know what that needs?

 

Dr. Jon  24:03

A little mango habenero?

 

Randall Thompson  24:06

Little tequila?

 

Dr. Jon  24:08

You know what if we we’re gonna be so relaxed in like, an hour. If we sample all these I don’t think no way

 

Randall Thompson  24:17

challenge Challenge accepted.

 

Dr. Jon  24:20

Okay then try the mint then try the mint and try them and try the mega

 

Randall Thompson  24:23

Oh, this is okay that other one was 16 This is 33 Okay, so this this is my which one is

 

Dr. Jon  24:31

Oh, this is 16 yeah

 

Randall Thompson  24:32

16 that’s, that’s sweet. So this is this is nothing.

 

Dr. Jon  24:36

So this one is a og Kush. So this one right here is Kutz. This one is made up with terpenes like natural terpenes. So yeah, let’s try it.

 

Randall Thompson  24:47

All right. And

 

Dr. Jon  24:49

Oh Yeah, you can see the difference. I mean, it’s definitely got definitely got a lot. Or you can also it’s got a nice little graduated cylinder.

 

Randall Thompson  24:56

Same here. Look at that.

 

Dr. Jon  24:57

See that? That’s pretty sweet.

 

Randall Thompson  24:58

I got that.

 

Dr. Jon  24:59

Okay, I’m not gonna Take my time and take quarter.

 

Randall Thompson  25:02

A quarter. Quarter.

 

Dr. Jon  25:03

Yeah, yeah, just a quarter

 

Randall Thompson  25:04

is a quarter two bits.

 

Dr. Jon  25:06

You know what? That’s definitely got some. Oh, tastes great

 

Randall Thompson  25:14

Huh? What do you got me and try that. Okay whoo that’s got flavor. That’s terpeney

 

Dr. Jon  25:25

Does It Really?

 

Randall Thompson  25:26

Oh yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  25:27

it’s got mint and terpenes

 

Randall Thompson  25:28

mint terpenes

 

Dr. Jon  25:29

a full spectrum hemp flower oil. Okay here let’s check that out.

 

Randall Thompson  25:33

And it’s heavy duty. This is got 2000 milligrams in this bottle. I told you, then I tell

 

Dr. Jon  25:42

ya, it’s good.

 

Randall Thompson  25:42

It’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  25:44

It’s got that mint with a little bit of Oh yeah, that’s it.

 

Randall Thompson  25:47

There’s a good aftertaste. Yeah, it kind of blends on the tongue and just kind of grows right under the tongue and just kind of comes gives your tongue a hug. Right? With terpenes.

 

Dr. Jon  25:59

So okay, so So there’s a couple different things. You can swallow these tinctures and it’ll go into your gut basically. And, you know, it’ll, it’ll kind of, it won’t be metabolized as fast, right? It’ll go through, it gets metabolized through the liver. If you take them sublingually basically, it gets absorbed, you know, under the tongue. And so you have to have a carrier for that. And that’s why typically, alcohol is used because it’s a good carrier directly into your bloodstream and there’s some arterial blood that goes right under the tongue and it has a more direct way of getting into your bloodstream. So yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  26:34

oh, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  26:35

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  26:36

well, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  26:37

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  26:37

Oh, and look, certified pesticide free. No reason

 

Dr. Jon  26:41

This is a grape ape too. This is a grape ape. This is pretty good one

 

Randall Thompson  26:44

grape Ape?

 

Dr. Jon  26:45

Yeah, grape ape. That’s a cannabis strain

 

Randall Thompson  26:47

that ages me because I remember grape. Grape. That was a great thing. Great Cush. grip.

 

Dr. Jon  26:53

We see this is got this has got more like a real cannabis flavor. With with no one You know with no, let me see no, no like berry flavor or mint flavor is just straight up, you know? OG kush.

 

Randall Thompson  27:07

Yeah, that’s great. Well the other thing with this one is it’s got a thicker viscosity almost on it a little more oil base. I like that.

 

Dr. Jon  27:18

Whoo mango sorbet.

 

Randall Thompson  27:20

Oh, my

 

Dr. Jon  27:21

totally going to try that one

 

Randall Thompson  27:22

Yeah. You’re on a mango kick.

 

Dr. Jon  27:24

I like to I like berry flavors.

 

Randall Thompson  27:27

berry berry. All right, here we go. I’m gonna try it. Grape Ape. I wonder if I’m going to get any work done this afternoon.

 

Dr. Jon  27:34

Boy we got we do have work. Don’t we Randy? Wow. I taste it definitely has the mango. It’s very smooth. But it definitely had it definitely still has that cannabis background and

 

Randall Thompson  27:50

this one. Again, it just kind of there’s this little grapy flavor. Just slight. It’s not like overpowering. It’s an Not like, you know, drinking a shot of Welch’s. But, but then it’s just slight and then all of a sudden the terpenes just kind of a kick. Yeah, yeah. Bam.

 

Dr. Jon  28:11

Pretty good.

 

Randall Thompson  28:11

Bam.

 

Dr. Jon  28:12

Okay, I think we’ve had enough we’re gonna fall.

 

Randall Thompson  28:16

Oh, we’re good.

 

Dr. Jon  28:17

All right. Well, thanks.

 

Randall Thompson  28:18

We got that conditioning. Are you kidding me?

 

Dr. Jon  28:20

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:21

Okay. So all right. I’m looking at questions here. Good. Maxim. Thanks. Good guys. Good, Barney. Cool. Thanks. And look for that. The blog will have a lot of that on there, Barney. So just make sure you look right. Matthew. Good to see you, Richard. Good to see you. One of the things that we have been noticing on our sites just because of this dude here. We have a lot of PhDs and chemists on staff. And we speak chemist.

 

Dr. Jon  28:53

Oh, yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:54

Oh my gosh,

 

Dr. Jon  28:54

yeah, we kind of do.

 

Randall Thompson  28:56

Yeah, for us. You know, business and sales geeks.

 

Dr. Jon  28:58

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:59

It gets old. It never gets old. I’m sorry. Did I say that out loud?

 

Dr. Jon  29:03

You did

 

Randall Thompson  29:03

Did I have too much CBD?

 

Dr. Jon  29:06

I’m relaxed. I don’t care.

 

Randall Thompson  29:09

Oh, good. See now. This is awesome. But I think we need to do some very like this one was very good for chemists. Yeah, I think the only thing that we didn’t get to were the calculators, but go your chemists you explore right do r&d go to extraktlab.com/calculators and find those calculators because they’re awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  29:31

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  29:32

And in the blog we have several posts. How many white papers have you written on distillate and that would be very chemist specific.

 

Dr. Jon  29:40

Boy. How many white papers Well, we do blog posts we did guides we did blog posts, and then there must be at least we wrote we have at least 40 pages of FAQs

 

Randall Thompson  29:52

Yes.

 

Dr. Jon  29:52

Which I’ve you know put are very digestible because they’re just

 

Randall Thompson  29:55

okay and just so you know, the FAQs are not like a one or two sentence answer Okay, I mean they’re exhausted. This is a white paper. Okay. We make we make a white summer FAQ is I think I’ve seen citations on some of those.

 

Dr. Jon  30:11

Yeah, our guys go Can we just make this into a blog article instead of an FAQ? Oh, yeah, sure. Whatever Yeah, whatever.

 

Randall Thompson  30:16

Yeah, but but leave it as an FAQ because people want to know this answer. Yeah. All right. All right. Now one a couple of things that I wanted to show here just because it’s cool. You know, we got beaker beaker beaker all over the place. Okay. Okay. beaker beaker beaker. Okay, so there’s some really cool stuff. So why would you use this? Yeah. Or these little those are closer.

 

Dr. Jon  30:43

volumetric flasks. Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  30:44

so these are volumetric flasks. Okay, I apologize to all the chemists out there but those who are not chemists don’t know this stuff.

 

Dr. Jon  30:51

So yeah, let’s let’s make some stuff here. So let’s, let’s do some stuff. Let’s make it alright. So what do we need to do? Well, okay, I was going to start off with just Just kind of an ethanol extraction of some of some biomass.

 

Randall Thompson  31:05

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  31:06

Okay, because a lot of people who want to do DIY stuff at home, yeah, they might have some biomass. And they take some water. No, no, no, that’s fine. I just hear Oh, okay. So, first thing you do is you start off with some everclear.

 

Randall Thompson  31:17

Just take a shot and then start.

 

Dr. Jon  31:20

Yeah, so you buy it and you take a pour a cup. This is the reason you start off with everclear is that it’s a food grade alcohol, it doesn’t have a lot of water in it. And you know, you’re not, you’re not dealing with residuals except for like a lot of alcohol, okay? And it is going to extract the, you know, the, the biomass, okay? A lot of times what people do is they’ll, they’ll take some biomass, they’ll put it into a jar, like like this, okay? And then they’ll pour the everclear in there and they’ll let it sit for, you know, a week and they’ll, they’ll stir it and they won’t really get it’s not very efficient techniques, so you’re not going to get out a lot of the CBD or So you might just continue to put some more everclear in it. Usually you want to start off with something a lot smaller. You can also by the way, this is from our own farms. That worked out pretty good. This right here, shout out to Nevada Crest Farms. These guys are in Nevada obviously. They had some pretty good blend that they sent our way. Oh, Nevada Crest. Hey, get tried to try that out.

 

Randall Thompson  32:26

Shout out to Nevada.

 

Dr. Jon  32:27

Yeah. Yeah, it smells great.

 

Randall Thompson  32:29

Oh, that smells really good. Yeah, that’s in Nevada. Chris. They’re looking at expanding there. Yeah, facility. Yeah. You I just talking to Oh, really? Yeah. Cool. Sweet.

 

Dr. Jon  32:38

All right. So we’re gonna take some of their stuff and we’re gonna, we’re gonna take and do a little bit of an extraction. So we’re going to put a little bit in here. First of all, you see this is called a buchner funnel or a buechner funnel. And it has a paper in there. You can see that that as a filter paper, you put that in there and then you have like a little apparatus, which is a this is called a sidearm. Vacuum flask you can buy these on eBay, you can buy them on Amazon, or you can just not buy them at all and use like a coffee filter or something like that. Yeah, that that would be fine as well. And so you put a little bit of usually you want to wet the paper a little bit. So I’m gonna take this is not normally how we would do stuff, but we’re gonna we’re gonna do this DIY here today. So we’re just gonna pour a little bit of that on there. Kind of wet that paper. Smell that.

 

Randall Thompson  33:28

Oh, yeah. Okay, you all remember everclear in the wapa, Tooley college.

 

Dr. Jon  33:33

All right, we’re gonna put a little bit of that in there. All right. This is great for like pre rolls and things like that. And, or you can just extract it straight out. So usually what you would do is you would know, for example, the potency of that, and then you would measure out the amount of alcohol you’d be extracting it with, its you still wouldn’t really know what the end extraction would be. But you can make some assumptions. say if you have like 50% recovery or 40% recovery, then you can kind of calculate Okay, I have I have calculate how much is in there. So here we’re just going to add it in. And you can see now this is this is a really great illustration just on the issue with with with ethanol extraction. And that’s because now all that biomass is sucking up all of our alcohol you need a lot of it, and now we’re just gonna kind of roll it around there. And you can see down here, there’s a we’re getting tincture. Now, a lot of people want to just soak it, that’s fine, too. This, we’re just kind of doing this in a short term, and then we’re going to try all that you try it.

 

Randall Thompson  34:36

You’re awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  34:37

Yeah. It’ll be great to get all those terpenes out of there. And stuff like that. So while that is cooking, Okay, I’m gonna put this over here. That’s, that’s what you would do and you can put it into a jar and then you can decant it and filter it off and this would be considered to be a tincture, kind of an all natural tincture. Okay. Oh, yeah. So you can see it’s coming down.

 

Randall Thompson  34:59

So now when you do this, approximately, you know, if we do this, if this is you know what potency typically would that flower be?

 

Dr. Jon  35:08

So that would be to either, you know, anywhere from five to 15% and most likely right around 10% Okay, yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  35:15

so if you’re doing it this way, yeah, how much CBD will come down?

 

Dr. Jon  35:18

Yeah, not a lot. Not not very much. I mean, if you so you maybe get most of it is stuck in that in the matrix there you know, so that’s why a lot of people soak it for a long time. Okay, um, you know, so again DIY, do it yourself at home get a bottle of everclear but you can see there’s it’s definitely pulling some out.

 

Randall Thompson  35:37

Yeah, it’s very green. It’s Yeah, cool. Yeah, I can’t wait to taste it.

 

Dr. Jon  35:42

Yeah, we’re gonna we’re gonna taste it. We’re gonna taste it like real soon. As soon as we get this Alright, so and then um, let’s kind of go over some of the flavors. I was going to kind of show you guys some flavors here that you have guys can pick up any kind of flavor you want. Now these these. Okay, let me just talk a little bit about terpenes. And what what makes difference with terpenes okay not all terpenes are equal some terpenes are synthetic some of them are say fruit derived and some of them are steam distilled some of them are solvent is still some of them are like I said purely synthetic and some of them are also derived specifically from say hemp. These ones come straight from the hemp plant they’re, they’re not they’re not cut. They’re not they’re just natural

 

Randall Thompson  36:23

sure.

 

Dr. Jon  36:23

So this is kind of what you want to have if you want to have you want to maintain that hemp flavor and that hemp taste and stuff. In fact, these terpenes right here are some of the terpenes that you that you tasted in this OG Kush Okay, okay, so those are the OG Kush terpenes right there. Okay. So that’s one way to so

 

36:40

when you say that it’s you I use that to flavor

 

Dr. Jon  36:43

your you use that stuff to flavor your tincture

 

Randall Thompson  36:45

is this is this like when you say it’s right from the plant that’s pre

 

Dr. Jon  36:50

its pre processing,

 

Randall Thompson  36:51

pre processing all together? Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  36:53

So you would use a terpene trap.

 

Randall Thompson  36:55

Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  36:56

and in with that, that terpene trap would allow you just to just basically Take the terpenes directly from here and and get them into there. Got it. Okay, that’s the terpene trap. We have a product that does that for

 

Randall Thompson  37:09

because a lot of people do that and capture these post extraction.

 

Dr. Jon  37:14

Yeah, but they’re not good.

 

Randall Thompson  37:15

They’re not as good.  they’re Horrible.  Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  37:18

yeah, yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  37:18

So these we call angels tears,

 

Dr. Jon  37:20

right? Yeah, they definitely are angels tears and good stuff.

 

Randall Thompson  37:25

So you want it right from the plant. Yeah. If you

 

Dr. Jon  37:28

do it afterward, in other words, gather those. These terpenes up afterward, they just taste. They’re horrible. They don’t, they don’t smell good. They don’t taste good. Mostly because you have to really cook it in order to get it out. So and it’s been processed like three times already by the time it gets out. And so they’re degrading and all that stuff. So you want to make sure that you have some good, you know, nice terpenes. So we also so that’s one one particular flavor I would consider if you’re going to make a tincture For, you know that’s based on hemp, you’d want to have a little bit of terpenes in there. So we taste you know, something like the hemp plant. Some of your clientele however is just going to like something like the whole list products. Like I mean, I couldn’t taste any like the key lime or the strawberry, or the mint. I mean there was there any hemp in those at all terpenes that was labor. Was there a little bit? Yeah, maybe I didn’t taste it wasn’t as strong as it was in the

 

Randall Thompson  38:24

in some of them they were they were stronger in some than others.

 

Dr. Jon  38:28

Yeah, so the strawberry one I couldn’t taste at all maybe that’s just like, almost free you know, every of that. So yeah. And then let me see then you can use different flavors that you can go to amoretti or you can go to you know, different sources like here’s for example as we have or USDA Organic, organic tinctures that we had, by the way, so you want to make sure that you have the organic label, which means that this peppermint oil was grown organically extracted according to the organic principles and then to us in this beautiful package. Here. Then we could put into an organic product to show Hey, look, we’re 100% organic.

 

Randall Thompson  39:04

I love that.

 

Dr. Jon  39:05

Yeah, it’s good. It’s great. And so this is very, very concentrated peppermint oils. You can also get non organic and those would be like in fruity flavors and things like that. Like for example, of here’s here’s lemon oil terpene-less lemon oil, here’s some Casio oil for example, that’s more like cinnamon cinnamony

 

Randall Thompson  39:25

chocolate cream cocoa

 

Dr. Jon  39:27

look it here. sassafrass

 

Randall Thompson  39:28

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  39:28

Sassafrass, right. We should make we should put that sassafrass in there and see Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  39:34

awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  39:35

And then we’ve been doing a lot with like, you know, like hot flavors, like I think I really think that you know, like fusion you know, gonna have like, you know, you know the fusion cooking. Yeah, I think that that is really a great way in order to have that in like tinctures and things. So, I mean, if you can, you can mix and match like hot and you know,

 

Randall Thompson  39:57

sweet

 

Dr. Jon  39:58

the four essences you know Sweet sour, salt, earth, air, fire water you know, something along those lines, so you can have that in there and where would you know develop over time? So yeah, the taste and the flavor. Okay.

 

Randall Thompson  40:15

And by the way Samantha loves our geek,

 

Dr. Jon  40:17

okay.

 

Randall Thompson  40:18

Your geek, not my geek, your geek.

 

Dr. Jon  40:20

Okay. All right. Let me see here. We got isolate here. Okay, this is some of our raw products. So here’s some isolate. So that’s what that looks like. It looks beautiful white and it’s and then we have

 

Randall Thompson  40:33

it’s kind of fun when they dry it and they just

 

Dr. Jon  40:35

here’s some here’s some distillate. Okay, so that’s some distillate. So we would, we would make that up. And here’s some winterized oil. So again, all of these are decarboxylated. Here, you can see how they’re kind of flowing there.

 

Randall Thompson  40:49

Then this is,

 

Dr. Jon  40:50

yeah, and then that’s crude, crude, you know, smells smells crude. Oh, I just love the smell of co2 crude is so smells so wonderful. It just does. It’s just really smells good. Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  41:04

Look how thick that is. Oh my gosh.

 

Dr. Jon  41:06

I just like, Okay, it looks weird for me just sitting there smelling it. But if I think Oh yeah, I didn’t,

 

Randall Thompson  41:12

you know, you move it around. You can really smell that, it’s very very rich

 

Dr. Jon  41:16

crude smells so good. And then you know, the winterized. Again, it just kind of you lose a little bit of that beautiful. So if I was to make a tincture, you know, making like, making it with like, crude is actually a really great, great idea. So hey, we got we got ourselves, are we making it? Yeah, we’ve got ourselves a little bit of alcohol here. You can see that little tiny bit of alcohol tincture here that we’re making. Now. You don’t have to use only alcohol. In fact, let me talk to you a little bit about what the difference is between an alcohol tincture in what is known in the marketplace as a as a tincture. Usually, people don’t use alcohol because it’s their shipping issues and all that stuff. And so what they use Other excipients like coconut oils like MCT oils or sweet almond oil or they use glycerin or something along those lines, okay? Usually you want to stick with an oil, you can use hemp oil too. We have a whole bunch of hemp oil and organic hemp oil. That’s a really great way to do it too. Usually the hemp oil is green, and you know it comes out green. That’s the organic stuff. But most people I mean, if you look at the labels and you read the labels, most people are using an MCT which is a medium chain triglyceride. And you know, it has its own actually MCT oil has its own health benefits you can go up on on the web and look those up. So a lot of people are using those. So it doesn’t always have to be alcohol. It solves a lot of problems as if you don’t have to, you know, store a lot of everclear or food grade ethanol. So, okay,

 

Randall Thompson  42:53

so how are we making this?

 

Dr. Jon  42:55

Well, I don’t know. I think what we’re going to do first of all, we’re going to just taste it.

 

Randall Thompson  42:59

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  42:59

And then

 

Randall Thompson  43:00

I will use one of these little beakers

 

Dr. Jon  43:01

we’re going to take Yeah, so here it is. Here’s the. So let me take a look at this if you can real quick. So this is the extracted material and you would it’s not fully extracted for sure. But you can see that all of that ethanol, they’re still stuck in here. Yeah, in in the matrix there. It’s really hard to get out. So you’d have to centrifuge it or something to get it out of there.

 

Randall Thompson  43:21

I can’t wait to go to the matrix.

 

Dr. Jon  43:23

Matrix. Here we go. Well, I didn’t smell that like a chemist. You want to know how the chemist is supposed to smell stuff here. I’ll show Yeah, yeah, there you go. You know, you got it. You got it. That’s how it goes. Yeah. So okay, here you get a little beaker and I get a little beaker.

 

Randall Thompson  43:39

beaker beaker.

 

Dr. Jon  43:40

I want half of it and you can have it and then we’re going to use that as our base to try out some stuff here. Okay, I’m having fun. I don’t know about everybody here. I know. I see. There’s a lot of people on the show. Sorry, but I’m having a lot of fun. I hope I hope you guys are okay. Okay, well, bottoms up, man. yasu. Okay. Little tiny bit under the tongue maybe I think I’m gonna do this instead. What? Yeah, I’m gonna try this. I’m not gonna try the whole thing the way out. I’m gonna try it a little bit on my tongue. If you want a dropper there’s a dropper Okay, here we go. Oh my gosh that

 

Randall Thompson  44:18

warm.

 

Dr. Jon  44:19

It’s very hot. Oh, whoa, that’s a wow that. That’s the laminating my tongue.

 

Randall Thompson  44:26

April can you reserve the cot for me.

 

Dr. Jon  44:30

That’s a that’s what they call extreme burn. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Wow, okay, that’s something else.

 

Randall Thompson  44:40

Okay, so

 

Dr. Jon  44:42

are we wimpy or? I mean, we don’t drink everclear we drink whiskey but not everclear.

 

Randall Thompson  44:47

Wow. I mean, okay, I that has great flavor, though. I mean, ever clear burn. But you can really Taste the flower.

 

Dr. Jon  45:01

I you know what I think that is? I think what that is, is that the oils that were on our tongue, I think that they’re now desorbing in redissolving into our mouths

 

Randall Thompson  45:09

or that’s just my tongue.

 

Dr. Jon  45:11

I think you’re dissolving your tongue altogether. That’s probably all right. Okay, so this is okay, this is not Oh man, that’s killing it. Oh no, he’s gonna do it. Okay, you

 

Randall Thompson  45:25

got it. Done.

 

Dr. Jon  45:27

Okay. You could do that. Okay, now we’re gonna do here

 

Randall Thompson  45:32

I did it.

 

Dr. Jon  45:34

You did it. What do you want to you want to pin or something? Okay, I have it is okay, you know what? We don’t have a something that clear our palette in between. Or like

 

Randall Thompson  45:45

I did actually I had some water earlier. Oh, really? Yeah, I’m gonna try it before I tried this. I cleansed my palate. It must just be the dissolving of my tongue in the everclear. But,

 

Dr. Jon  45:57

you know after this, no one was gonna join our show again. All right. All right.

 

Randall Thompson  46:03

Are you kidding me? Everybody’s gonna be on.

 

Dr. Jon  46:05

All right, here we go. Now we’re gonna do some MCT stuff.

 

Randall Thompson  46:08

I think I think I could do if we if there’s something I could go *noise*. I could be a fireman. Fire breather. Here.

 

Dr. Jon  46:17

Pump me out a little MCT there

 

Randall Thompson  46:18

What?

 

Dr. Jon  46:18

Yeah, pump me out a little.

 

Randall Thompson  46:19

Oh,

 

Dr. Jon  46:19

you just pull that up.

 

Randall Thompson  46:20

pull this out.

 

Dr. Jon  46:21

Yeah, pull it pull it up. No, no, pull this up right here. Yeah, there you go.

 

Randall Thompson  46:24

pull this up.

 

Dr. Jon  46:25

Yeah, pull it up.

 

Randall Thompson  46:26

I’m trying

 

Dr. Jon  46:27

to pull it all the way up. And I’ll push it down.

 

Randall Thompson  46:31

How much?

 

Dr. Jon  46:32

Just give me a little bit. I don’t need a lot.

 

Randall Thompson  46:34

There you go.

 

Dr. Jon  46:35

Yeah, there it is.

 

Randall Thompson  46:37

I might need some of that.

 

Dr. Jon  46:38

Okay, then I’m gonna make, I’m gonna just kind of like a, it’s kind of like a buffet. So you could just go ahead and make I’m gonna. I’m gonna put a little crude in there.

 

Randall Thompson  46:51

Oh, my gosh.

 

Dr. Jon  46:52

A little crude in there. Now this crude is probably right around 60%. So you know whenever I probably I probably have about Quarter mil in there, so it’s not a lot. So put that in there. Okay. And then I put a little bit of put little bit of terpenes in there.

 

Randall Thompson  47:11

I love it when you open to this jar.

 

Dr. Jon  47:13

Yeah, this is wow. Would you like to have gallon stuff? Just give us a call,

 

Randall Thompson  47:20

pick up the receiver we’ll make  I’ll tell you what our terpTrap kills. I mean when right and you can do that. And that is money.

 

Dr. Jon  47:28

Money,

 

Randall Thompson  47:29

money.

 

Dr. Jon  47:29

Okay, here’s a little. You don’t need a lot. No, you don’t want to overpower it,

 

Randall Thompson  47:34

right. No, I mean, you should smell this. I mean,

 

Dr. Jon  47:36

I cross contaminated. Oh my gosh. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  47:40

what kind of chemist are you?

 

Dr. Jon  47:42

How many kinds are there? So you can see it’s not dissolving,

 

Randall Thompson  47:47

I don’t know. Okay, so a little bit.

 

Dr. Jon  47:50

We can we can do one or two things. Well, obviously, you can heat it, or you can do it. You can choose. You can also do a little bit of this. Oh, look at Okay, I know exactly what to do. We’re put this in a little centrifuge tube Oh, okay, we’re going to mix it all together. And we’re going to make it into one homogenous solution.

 

Randall Thompson  48:16

I feel like a homogenous solution. I know I’m getting there.

 

Dr. Jon  48:23

Okay. Oh yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  48:27

Look at that.

 

Dr. Jon  48:29

Total little do a little mixing. That’s it. I might have to add some ethanol to it to dissolve it. Possible. Oh, you can see this dissolve

 

Randall Thompson  48:37

it is dissolving a little bit, some more time and some heat probably. It probably needs some heat. Maybe you just pour some of this and that’s plenty of or some of this and go ahead and make your own.

 

Dr. Jon  48:48

Make your own.

 

Randall Thompson  48:49

I’m gonna blow something up

 

Dr. Jon  48:50

here. This is I like the sweet almond oil. There. Yeah, blow something up blows out. You can make an Isolate one. I’m gonna make a crude one.

 

Randall Thompson  49:01

Okay, all right.

 

Dr. Jon  49:01

Well, here’s this.

 

Randall Thompson  49:03

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  49:03

put some sweet almond oil in there.

 

Randall Thompson  49:05

Okay, I’m gonna totally blow something up

 

Dr. Jon  49:06

put a little bit of peppermint in there and then

 

Randall Thompson  49:10

and then maybe put a little bit of lint in there. What do you say

 

Dr. Jon  49:13

whatever you want whatever

 

Randall Thompson  49:14

Well, I don’t mind but I mean Am I am I like

 

Dr. Jon  49:21

I wasn’t I wasn’t watching so I didn’t get it.

 

Randall Thompson  49:25

That’s kind of fun.

 

Dr. Jon  49:28

Okay, that’s it. That’s enough of that. I don’t we don’t have heat but that’s how you would, how would you dissolve that? First of all, if you were using like vegetable glycerin, you have a very hard time getting it in, you’d have to heat it up and it’s not it’s not really it’s not really soluble very because it’s not very soluble in vegetable glycerin. Okay. So you would need to do something with it. Within MCT oil though you can see it’s it’s dissolving but it’s slow. It’s going to take a little bit of time to do that. I’m going to I’m going to actually take it out and then in fortify it With some isolate

 

Randall Thompson  50:04

all of these really cool tools. I have no idea

 

Dr. Jon  50:07

I’m a smell it first. Well that smells great. Okay, now I’m going to there’s my slight I’m going to fortify this with some isolate

 

Randall Thompson  50:19

I think it’s boiling. Right and there’s no heat. This is an occasional listen. What do you do? Not, don’t blow up the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  50:36

They will not let us in here anymore. They kicked me out a long time ago. I remember we were doing our vape formulations. We sit in here all weekend long. This whole place if you just couldn’t see anything and like, boy, I I’m really relaxed outside we take a nap. Come back then. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  50:58

I do think at one point down the road. We need to take you up really good. And maybe next week we’ll make popcorn in the gemco.

 

Dr. Jon  51:05

Oh yeah, we can do that. We did that we had the pre pre pre Look at that.

 

Randall Thompson  51:10

Alright, so in this I have the peppermint. I put a little bit of our flower tea from nature’s crest By the way, and then I put a little bit of distillate in here and I know distillate is. So see what happens.

 

Dr. Jon  51:23

Yeah, normally you would be taking notes you’d be measuring everything out. I like like a good chemist would do. So that you would know what

 

Randall Thompson  51:31

I am not a good chemist

 

Dr. Jon  51:35

will see this has got a lemon terpene MCT with it should be very terpeney I’m gonna try it. For four to five. Did I tell you that you don’t need a lot of peppermint.

 

Randall Thompson  51:53

That’s a whole lot of peppermint. Okay, Don’t have to brush my teeth for like a week.

 

Dr. Jon  52:05

You’ll be you’ll be burping.

 

Randall Thompson  52:08

Peppermint,

 

Dr. Jon  52:08

peppermint. Yeah, here we go. I’m gonna try this one now.

 

Randall Thompson  52:13

What’d you get

 

Dr. Jon  52:14

I made in the right proportions dude

 

Randall Thompson  52:16

Did you?

 

Dr. Jon  52:17

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  52:17

Well, that’s good. Is it?

 

Dr. Jon  52:19

Yeah. I’m

 

Randall Thompson  52:21

will it cut the peppermint a little bit.

 

Dr. Jon  52:23

No, it’s got. Well, it’s got Let me see here what it’s got. It’s got lemon oil terpene-less, lemon oil. It’s got a little bit of these terpenes You know, one thing about terpenes is that they do have a burning characteristic.

 

Randall Thompson  52:37

Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  52:38

So you always have to limit them. If this is especially when you’re doing your vapors. You want to make sure you limit your terpenes otherwise you’re gonna have a lot of burn.

 

Randall Thompson  52:46

Oh, that’s that’s, that’s very lemony.  It’s very lemony.  Did I make it? I was a little worried.

 

Dr. Jon  52:57

That’s good lemon law. This definitely has It’s got a little bit of that lemon rind taste to it because I can taste in the back. Like, you know, they’re like a lemon.

 

Randall Thompson  53:06

Okay, okay, that’s not lemon rind its zest or those of you who cook it’s called zest. Okay. All right. Yes. That’s like, Oh, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  53:16

Yeah, it definitely

 

Randall Thompson  53:18

That was good.

 

Dr. Jon  53:18

Definitely

 

Randall Thompson  53:19

way better than my way way better.

 

Dr. Jon  53:23

This is this is basically a isolate fortified crude oil MCT with lemon. No, yeah. lemons. So it definitely has. It has limonene in it for sure. And a little little in it little which has been about a wash, which is a terpene. It definitely has it. It’s about

 

Randall Thompson  53:46

five times really fast.

 

Dr. Jon  53:50

Okay, all right. And I put some of this in there too.

 

Randall Thompson  53:53

I know. But see, that is sweet. Thank you for being here. And thank you for enjoying our tincture creation mad scientist r&d lab here. So this is awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  54:07

Let’s do a recap.

 

Randall Thompson  54:08

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  54:09

Okay, first, we first we had a wonderful presentation that I put together

 

Randall Thompson  54:14

Yes, it was really four slides you said three what

 

Dr. Jon  54:17

was it

 

Randall Thompson  54:18

was kind of a bait and switch

 

Dr. Jon  54:20

and then get the calculators go go on the calculators, give us some feedback on things like that, please do that. And then we try you know, we did a an extraction, basically ethanol extraction using everclear and some stuff and some of this seamless blend here. You can see it’s still it’s still in there. You might want to extract it again and again. But

 

Randall Thompson  54:44

yeah, you can do that and with really good tea, and my dear friend does golden water turtle tea, and you can you can fuse that like seven times. So that’s probably the same thing you can do here. You can just keep pouring in and Running and go.

 

Dr. Jon  55:00

Yeah. And you can use in terms of. So that’s one way to do it. If you’re doing an ethanol extraction, you can use distillate you can use crude you can use isolate, and then, you know, the,

 

Randall Thompson  55:12

and you can totally get this stuff online, just

 

Dr. Jon  55:18

I would, okay, there’s a couple different things. When you buy amoretti flavors, be careful. You want to buy the oil soluble flavors, you don’t want to buy the water soluble flavors because they, they are not very miscible. In other words, they won’t really go into Okay, and so you might say like, Oh, I like that flavor. I like that flavor. And then you have a whole bunch of them in there like watersoluble so don’t buy those. I’m just saying I just saved everybody $100

 

Randall Thompson  55:41

Oh, there you go. Don’t buy the water soluable. Oh, hey, Barney has another quick question. He didn’t know terpenes burn.

 

Dr. Jon  55:48

Oh, he Oh yeah

 

Randall Thompson  55:50

why would they burn?

 

Dr. Jon  55:51

Well, they’re they’re about because they’re organic. Just like any anything else organic will burn like MCT oil will burn. You know, fuel light you can light distillate on fire obvious so so he’s

 

Randall Thompson  56:02

not talking about like every clear burn that burns when you taste

 

Dr. Jon  56:05

oh yeah no

 

Randall Thompson  56:06

Okay, he’s talking about you can light it on fire.

 

Dr. Jon  56:08

Oh yeah you can do that you can do that too.

 

Randall Thompson  56:12

So it’s a good thing we don’t have anything

 

Dr. Jon  56:13

Hey, you know okay so I don’t think I was involved in the formulation of these well let me see here

 

Randall Thompson  56:21

that about to change

 

Dr. Jon  56:24

is actually quite good and I still have a lot of lemon so if I if I took this one I have lemon strawberry.

 

Randall Thompson  56:29

Yes of course I’ll have peppermint strawberry. I’m gonna have peppermint spaghetti for dinner tonight. Probably

 

Dr. Jon  56:40

Strawberry Fields Forever

 

Randall Thompson  56:43

I still want to sing. Oh, that should be next week’s episode.

 

Dr. Jon  56:46

No, no

 

Randall Thompson  56:46

sing along karaoke. All right, okay, so then an optimum thinner for people looking.

 

Dr. Jon  56:56

Okay, thinner to vape oil. See very careful with thinners okay that you do you guys remember the vape crisis?

 

Randall Thompson  57:05

Yes.

 

Dr. Jon  57:06

Okay.

 

Randall Thompson  57:06

Yeah. Like for example, a lot some of the compounds used in the thinners that were used, which which are terpene,  thinners Essentially, we’re vitamin E acetate, which was a problem. So be careful about what you’re using. Look at the ingredients. And a lot of times, people will say, oh, they’ll they’ll say, Okay, here’s a terpene thinner for you. They won’t tell you what it is. You can’t use that. Because you don’t know what it is. And someone might actually for vape, you know, you sure might get in trouble. So don’t use anything that you don’t have. Like, you know what everything what it is. Sure. So yeah, just just in there’s a just because it’s healthy to ingest doesn’t mean it’s healthy to vape.

 

Dr. Jon  57:52

That’s correct. That’s correct. And the other thing there is that if you Yeah, I mean, people died as they took Vitamin E acetate, which is an oil.

 

Randall Thompson  58:02

Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  58:02

you know, and they were vaping it so yeah, so be very careful with thinners because they’re proprietary. And people don’t want to tell you what’s in the thinner.

 

Randall Thompson  58:10

You should never use that. So don’t do that. Okay, thank you for the hundred percent Samantha awesome. And Chris has a quick question about nano emulsification still use oil based not water based.

 

Dr. Jon  58:23

Okay, so using water based, you can use like a water based with a nano emulsion. That’s great. I would do that. We have some water based there like one shots or something like that. We wouldn’t do that this time, but we could have and basically

 

Randall Thompson  58:37

sounds like a future episode.

 

Dr. Jon  58:38

Yeah, yeah, you can get all kinds of fruity flavors in there. So those are typically used in like, like water formulations, like, you know, like sodas and seltzer waters and, and like shots like energy shots and things like that. I know people also sell them as quote unquote, tinctures. You know, why not? You can put it in teas and things like that. That also works and There’s a lot of different ways to nano emulsify, okay? A lot of it involves like equipment. Basically you need a high pressure homogenizer or medium pressure or low pressure homogenizer. And you can get with a low pressure homogenizer, you can get down to the micron level, your, your water’s gonna be a little cloudy. And you’re always going to taste it a little bit on the back of your tongue. But you know, it works.

 

Randall Thompson  59:25

Sure,

 

Dr. Jon  59:25

yeah. And then as you go down into the nano size and the nano emulsions that are occurring, sometimes people using a combination of emulsifiers, which are chemicals, which I’m not a big fan of, but you know, they’re used in foods and things like that. And what else there and also high shear and homogenization. So that’s like equipment, plus chemicals is what you need there and it’ll work. It works just fine. We have done formulations that way. We have some great formulations along those lines. We could probably try. Try some of those. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  59:59

Love it. Okay. So one of the other questions. And by the way, Chris said they are using water. So sweet. Good, good, Chris. Okay. So next week, we need to announce what our topic is for next week.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:15

Yeah, I’m getting like,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:17

and here’s, what do you think?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:18

I don’t know.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:19

Okay, one of the things that I’ve thought of I mean, these are things that we need to do. We can we’ve been in the r&d lab here. Now. What about going outside?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:27

We could,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:28

what about chucking in buckets?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:30

We could do that. Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:31

I mean, that’s an option.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:32

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:32

We mean, you know, most of the crops are in now. Right.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:35

Yeah. But that were that would probably be like a harvest thing.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:39

Right. So that would probably be thinking about that over

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:41

Yeah, we could do that.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:42

Yeah. What what they need, what tools are that are coming up, whether you’re indoor or outdoor, because now they have to start budgeting and thinking and what they’re doing and you know, you want I’m a planner? Yeah. Okay, that’s fine. I mean, that that’s something we could do, we could do that. The other things that we can do is talk about, you know, protocols between the rooms.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:02

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:03

I mean, there’s a lot of things we could talk about anything we can talk. We could even go into, you know, some of the condensing, potentially.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:10

And I think anybody you know, our super technical topics.

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:13

Yep.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:14

those are those are those tend to you know, there’s we could do some of those, but why I think we just want to do like demonstrations and things like that. So I think Yeah, okay.

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:23

I love it.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:23

What do you what do you what what is your Muse?

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:26

Any thoughts? Guys? Any thoughts out there? We’d love to hear from you. Yeah, okay. So Otherwise, it’ll be a surprise. We will be announcing it in a couple of days. What we’re doing right in is one of these three topics, right? So let’s go Alright, well done, great show. Thank you for being here. Look at all our resources, calculators, mini courses, our blog posts, white papers, everything they’re out there for you to use. Congratulations again to Adam young in Colorado Springs, our winner of the grab bag and we’re going to get you some rubber gloves. Also, thank you for all of your questions. This has been awesome. It has been fun. And this is our favorite part of being here actually just kind of doing this stuff. It’s a blast. And it was fun. They finally let me out and into this room. I’ve been dying to be here. So thank you go to YouTube. Look at all of our resources. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you again for being here. There will be a replay. So share this with your friends. We love it. And this will be out there. And we’ll reach out to sample winners for today. Okay, so there’s going to be samples. So we will be reaching out to you today if you’re a winner. So while you’re all winners, because you’re here, right? We’re winners because you’re here, like so. Alright man. Thank you.

 

Dr. Jon  1:02:42

See ya

 

Randall Thompson  1:02:43

Have a great show.

 

James Hillstead  1:02:46

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Randall Thompson  00:35

Hey guys, welcome. We’re in the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  00:38

We are

 

Randall Thompson  00:39

cool.

 

Dr. Jon  00:39

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  00:40

we’re here. We’re here and we’re completely garbed out.

 

Dr. Jon  00:44

Make sure everybody button up

 

Randall Thompson  00:45

I buttoned all the way up to the top.

 

Dr. Jon  00:47

They even made us put the masks or the hair nets on

 

Randall Thompson  00:50

and the gloves. I now have a medium and a large I used to have a large and a small that it was

 

Dr. Jon  00:58

uncomfortable.

 

Randall Thompson  00:58

It was a little odd Okay, welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

 

Dr. Jon  01:03

Oh, yes,

 

Randall Thompson  01:04

I’m looking at different cameras. Sorry. Okay. We’re in the r&d Lab. Dr. Jon, Randall, here we are. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We’re going to talk about how to make the best tincture ever,

 

Dr. Jon  01:18

ever,

 

Randall Thompson  01:19

ever. Good. And it’s odd because we had music gone, we had a blast, and we had moments ago, and then it went away. If you’re here for the first time, don’t forget top red button. You can just hit if it’s a frozen screen or whatever, just hit that reconnect button, and it won’t bounce you out anything. I’ll just refresh the screen. That’s good. Introduce yourself in the chat. Get there. Ask questions about tinctures. We’re here. This is a fun and safe place. Make sure you introduce yourself who you are and where you are in the process. Whether you’re a farmer, a chemist, a processor a co Packer, whether you’re in r&d whether you’re formulating What are you doing let us know right, no holds barred questions. Go ahead and ask anything simple or tough questions join the chat invite your friends there will be a replay there will be a replay there will be a replay so I know Dr. Jon you’ve got you’ve actually got prep

 

Dr. Jon  02:13

yeah we do we have we have some prep.

 

Randall Thompson  02:14

Okay You look so serious

 

Dr. Jon  02:16

Yeah. Oh my god. I have been working on this tincture thing since six o’clock this morning. been blowing it up it’s gonna be good we got hey can you guys pan all this wonderful stuff we got here look at the Look at this. We got it all set up.

 

Randall Thompson  02:30

It is so cool.

 

Dr. Jon  02:31

We got isolate. We got distillate we got flavors. We got existing tinctures here.

 

Randall Thompson  02:37

I’m terrified I’m gonna break something.

 

Dr. Jon  02:39

I don’t know this.

 

Randall Thompson  02:39

It’s gonna happen. I’m going to break.

 

Dr. Jon  02:42

It’s all right.

 

Randall Thompson  02:42

totally gonna break out. Okay. All right. So I’m going to let you go. Oh, but we ICBC virtual event Adam young in Colorado Springs. Congratulations. You are this week’s winner. Jared will reach out to you. Do we know what he won? What did we win? grab bag grab a grab bag sweet. I think you’ll put it in this large glove.

 

Dr. Jon  03:04

Put some gloves in there. Well yeah, we’ll put a p p and some gloves in there.

 

Randall Thompson  03:09

Adam young Colorado Springs congratulations at the ICBC virtual event. We’re good. Okay, don’t forget read lots of resources live tour CBD jam sessions where you guys are lighting it up. You’re asking us a lot of really cool questions on those jam sessions and things. Advanced extraction guide distillation guide calculator library is live you

 

Dr. Jon  03:28

guys live Oh my god, Ben. burnin up

 

Randall Thompson  03:31

burnin it.

 

Dr. Jon  03:32

Hundreds of people on there. So it’s been it’s been great.

 

Randall Thompson  03:34

And we’re adding the mini courses to come. So good. All right. All right.

 

Dr. Jon  03:40

So yeah, so let’s, uh, let’s get into this. This is probably one of those one of those sessions where we’re, we’re, it’s kind of more loosey goosey.

 

Randall Thompson  03:49

So I only know I only have the youngers where

 

Dr. Jon  03:52

I only have like three slides and a couple tables.

 

Randall Thompson  03:55

Oh, awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  03:56

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  03:58

Okay. I didn’t see you. I know. I was I was showing you my eyes glazed over Look,

 

Dr. Jon  04:04

how do I get how do I get my wonderful presentation up here? Because people are going to be excited about these calculators if they’re at all making tinctures and then we’re going to get into some tasting. And then we’re going to make our own.

 

Randall Thompson  04:15

You’re gonna make me taste the bad

 

Dr. Jon  04:17

I’m gonna make it taste it. No, I’m gonna make it taste good stuff. I got I got cuts. I got Cal leaf. I got homeless stuff here.

 

Randall Thompson  04:23

Remember last week you said oh, this is horrible taste this that’s, that’s what I’m expecting.

 

Dr. Jon  04:30

Okay, number one, guys. You’re gonna make your own tinctures you got to make sure your bio mass or your CBD oil has been decarboxylated first Okay, otherwise it’s not going to be able to be absorbed into your body to let you know that so what that means

 

Randall Thompson  04:42

I didn’t know that

 

Dr. Jon  04:43

Yeah, what that means is that you need to bring it through a process of decarboxylation so you know whether if you have a distillate it’s very likely already decarboxylated almost all distillate is decarboxylated for sure. Okay, if you have just like for example, some some some biomass you’re gonna Don’t want to kind of warm it up, you’re gonna want to cook it at 150 degrees for about an hour that’ll decarboxylated or if you have some crude that you’ve taken from like an ethanol tincture or something like that, you’re gonna have to remove the ethanol and cook the living daylights out of the oil in that that will basically decarboxylated Okay, so, first step in making a tincture obviously is decarboxylated. Either your biomass or your CBD oil, just so you guys know that it’s very important, otherwise they’re not going to be there’s going to be what they call mal absorption. Yeah, not going to be very good. Okay, if you’re using CBD oil, you can follow a recipe that you create using our kick. calculators,

 

Randall Thompson  05:33

kit, calculators, kick

 

Dr. Jon  05:35

calculators, yeah, they’re really great. If you are using CBD biomass, you need to extract it. So we’re going to go over some of those calculators. And then once you have this wonderful oil of some kind, and we’ll go over different ways to make that of course, you guys. There’s different ways to do that. Then then you can calculate your dosage using our dosing calculator. Okay, so this is gonna be a lot of fun. And then step four, Obviously is enjoy it

 

Randall Thompson  06:01

awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  06:01

So that’s pretty great.

 

Randall Thompson  06:02

That’s That’s my favorite part.

 

Dr. Jon  06:04

There’s a small list okay, so a lot of people ask us in the past you know what CBD should we use in tinctures? Should we use isolate? Should we use distillate should we use winterised? Should we use broad spectrum of them are perfectly fine to use in a tincture, it’s just you might get some different different things happening with that. So like for example, with isolate, isolate is the most straightforward one to use within a tincture, okay. And what’s nice about it is that potency is pretty high, but it doesn’t have any terpenes. So you’ll have to add some of your terpenes that you gather up in a different process and you need to add those in. I’ll give you an example what that looks like here. Here you can see these are pure, pure terpenes. They come from a decarboxylation process, which is essentially vacuum distillation. And so they don’t, they don’t have any THC or CBD in them but they are they are straight from the hemp plant. They have all of the full spectrum of terpenes there so you can add those into your isolates to make like dabs you can add them into your isolate to make

 

Randall Thompson  07:08

Those smell Great,

 

Dr. Jon  07:09

they smell crazy good,

 

Randall Thompson  07:11

crazy good.

 

Dr. Jon  07:11

Yeah so terpenes there are some you know, sometimes with isolate depending on what isolate you are, you’re extracting from. Typically you will always have some minors in there. Like, if it’s 99% pure CBD you’ll probably maybe have 1% minors or you know, and when I say minor cannabinoids, I mean CBN CBG, CBC CBG, you know, some of the minors will also be in there, but they’re very, very trace, they’re very low, low level there, just because of the way isolate is processed, you do have a residual risk. So be very careful about that. I am a total anti anti residual type of person. So the way that is processed with nonpolar solvents and stuff like that, I don’t I don’t like it. So I don’t prefer an isolate tincture. I prefer something more natural but a lot of people use it because you know, like if you’re using a crude or winterize or broad spectrum you really talking about the natural flavors of the plant in there so you know you know a lot of people want to mask that and in overpower it with like a strawberry flavor or a chocolate flavor or something like that people also use distillate and when you use distillate in your in manufacturing you just have to correct for you have to know how much CBD is in your distillate right otherwise you wouldn’t know how to dose it and I’ll show you a calculator that we put together for manufacturing and what that really means. So suffice it to say it does have some of those minor cannabinoids, it does have some of the longer chain longer longer isoprene The larger the larger terpenes in there so yes it does have some terpenes in it but it doesn’t have the more volatile ones which are the die tries things like that and then residual risk if you there’s always a residual risk with distillate we’ve we’ve done pretty large study on you know distillates and and you do see some of those residuals making it all the way through the distillate even if they are volatile, organic solvents So, but it’s it really varies about 25% of the manufacturers that we survey their distillate had some sort of contaminant in there. So, when you buy distillate, you just want to make sure that you are basically contaminant and solvent free. And then winterized. decarboxylated oil 50 to 70%. Of course terpenes Yes, you got lots of terpenes in there. It may also have some minors in there and have residual risk if you if you are using co2 oils, and using food grade oils that don’t have residuals in them. You might have a ethanol residual though, so you want to make sure that that’s all taken out of there. broad spectrum is basically a THC free distillate. Typically you would take the distillate and you take the THC out of it, you do that with either chromatography or solvent techniques, one of the two to decide which one you want to use, you know, we use chromatography here because it’s more clean than using a solvent. So we try to stay away from acetone, heptane, hexane or anything else that’s going to get into your body with unknown consequences to the To the endocrine system or to anything else you know you’re trying to get to the point where where where we’re not taking in eating chemicals we’re trying to do that

 

Randall Thompson  10:08

that’s a good thing

 

Dr. Jon  10:09

better living through chemicals only applies if you live in the laboratory and then ethanol extract Yes, you can do where to show you how to make a tincture like with an ethanol extract. The definition of a tincture is essentially an ethanol extract Okay, it’s or it’s a if it’s an active with in in ethanol, okay, and most people don’t like to have tinctures like real tinctures because they burn you know,

 

Randall Thompson  10:34

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  10:35

yeah, yeah, they don’t they really burn they don’t taste very good because they’re overwhelmed by the burn. A lot of people don’t, you know, for example, you know, make tinctures but they are medically used all over all over the world. Sure. So and in the pharmaceutical world, so alright, so that’s the type of CBD using the tincture, which one is best. I think that they all you can see that they’re all they all have different, different things to bring to the table. Like the isolate would be used if you want to have overpowering like berry flavors and things like that. And you don’t want to have any plant flavor in there. If you want to have some plant flavor in there, you know you’re going to have to either hit the distillate, the winterized oil or the broad spectrum. If you’re not going to want to have any THC in there, you’re going to want to use broad spectrum. winterized is probably the best or crude oil could also be used and that’s the closest to the plant out obviously, co2 oils directly out of crude or directly out of a co2 extractor that has been pre-decarboxylated and you can use that right in your tincture. In my view, that’s the cleanest possible, but you’re also getting a lot of plant plant flavors.

 

Randall Thompson  11:40

There’s a good flavor, but it’s a lower potency. It’s so

 

Dr. Jon  11:43

yeah, it’s a lower potency also but you can make it you can make the potency however you want because you’re diluting obviously with with oil so that that’s what that is and so basically what’s awesome about this is that if you have you know 50 flavors, you have different types of isolate, you have You know, different types of terpenes. Really, there’s a lot of different combinations. This is where CBD formulation gets a lot of fun. Because you’re able to test and try you’re able to come up with something unique. There’s a, you know, any there are 100 factorial different, you know, different combinations. So your combination can actually be unique. And, you know, if you like it, people like it, they’ll taste it and like, wow, this is really great. So yeah, we’ve we went out we bought a whole bunch of tinctures we taste them. Some of them were, like, you know, Au Natural.

 

Randall Thompson  12:32

Oh, yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  12:33

And they were a little bit tough from the standpoint didn’t taste very good, right. So we, we I always kind of like okay, I liked it. I liked the stuff that tastes really good. And I do like the natural hemp flavor too. So that’s just my bias. So what does an extraction method for CBD- Why does it make a difference? Well, just to summarize it for you have purity is important, Unknown, and knownb residual solvent should be avoided. So this, this is where if you’re on the market, and you’re buying for Example crude oil, you’re buying distillate, and they give you a report that says, hey, this is this is really great. I would double test that because I don’t trust residuals. Your laboratory will not test for unknown residuals. That’s a big deal. And if it’s not on their list, they’ll say it’s pure. It’s clean. It passes. Oh, and that’s a problem. I think it’s a huge problem.

 

Randall Thompson  13:21

It is a problem.

 

Dr. Jon  13:22

It most definitely is a problem. Okay, because, you know, there’s just an infinite number of things. What if I use something that wasn’t in the list, you know, like methylene chloride or dimethyl . Oh, dimethyl Badgett, we have that okay. Or an organic is better. Organic is better. It is just this because, you know, it’s, it’s made with agricultural practices that that don’t use pesticides or insecticides. And so you’re really reducing or eliminating that risk. So, hey, anything you can do to make your CBD tincture? The most healthy tincture possible is the best way

 

Randall Thompson  13:58

Absolutely. And the residual thing I mean, I agree with you the residual thing is, is bad. And we’ve talked about this in od nauseum in previous episodes but if you’re taking multiple doses a day of CBD or a tincture or taking that over time, oh my gosh, you’re, you’re ingesting way over the limit that they want right over time.

 

Dr. Jon  14:22

Right.

 

Randall Thompson  14:22

And that’s just bad stuff.

 

Dr. Jon  14:24

Right, right. Exactly. Well, yeah. And they don’t have any basis for the limits in the first place. Yeah. So there’s, there’s, you know, there’s no studies and so they’re their modus operandi is interestingly enough, Oh, we don’t have any data on it. So 5000 ppm is okay. You know, that that’s, you guys have heard me rant about that a lot. And you know, whatever. You know, does it actually happen in practice, though? The answer is Yeah, it does

 

Randall Thompson  14:48

all the time.

 

Dr. Jon  14:48

Yeah, it does. We we got a whole bunch of extracts. We got a whole bunch of, you know, distillates and stuff. Yeah, we see the stuff in there. You can see it. Yeah, look, we analytical chemists. We See everything? Yeah, okay, you there’s no hiding.

 

Randall Thompson  15:02

Yeah. And we’ve got, by the way, we’ve got chemists from Europe. We’ve got chemists from Ohio, Nicholas and Ed. Hopefully I said that correctly. And we’ve got Barney here. And we got questions coming all over the place. So thank you for being here. It’s awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  15:19

Right. Thank you. So anyway, so that’s that, I think, let me see here. So, people always want to know how much to take. Okay, so it’s based on body weight, it’s based on delivery method, and it’s based on that condition that’s being addressed. Okay. So, you know, like, for example, with some forms of epilepsy, I know that you know, the dosage is quite high, like really high. Well, so, what’s cool about the cannabinoids is that you’re not gonna die from it. Yeah, okay. Nobody has ever died. For example, from from cannabinoid overdosage that I know of, I don’t think that there is someone knows, please put it in the notes.

 

Randall Thompson  15:54

That’ll be interesting.

 

Dr. Jon  15:55

But you know, people have died from alcohol. People have died from other things, but they haven’t died from that. You could, you could Be, you could be, you know, you could be taking so much of it that, you know, you you would have an adverse reaction. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying

 

Randall Thompson  16:09

that would be a mal-reaction.

 

Dr. Jon  16:10

Yes, yes. So that would be a mal reaction. Okay, so let’s get to some calculators and then we’ll get into the fun stuff, which is basically sampling and mixing. Crazy.

 

Randall Thompson  16:21

Awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  16:22

So let me see here, where it’s on the website.

 

Randall Thompson  16:28

Technical, we’re moving it and this is awesome, by the way. Also, as we’re going, you know what, there’s a couple of questions that were coming in as we’re moving to the calculators. And that is, can you process just with pressure or do you need to process with a solvent?

 

Dr. Jon  16:51

I wonder what that means. It’s, it’s tough to understand what that means if I mean, okay, we talked about methods last week. In methods are, basically you have your technique plus your temperature and your pressure conditions, right. And that’s put putting those together with a piece of equipment that has been calibrated and has operating procedures and trained personnel. That’s a method. Okay. So if you are going to talk about different ways to change, you know, like, for example, I could, I could increase the pressure or I could decrease the pressure, I could change my solvent. I could use a different solvent. Sure. Yeah. There’s there’s lots of different options for me. So yeah, you. Look, there’s the sky’s the limit when it comes to when it comes to making your different methods.

 

Randall Thompson  17:38

Sure. All right. And we can talk about that. And for Barney, if you want to watch the last episode we did on processes and things that would be awesome. It’s in our blog, and you can connect there or on our YouTube channel. That would be good. And then we’re talking about I think we address some of these Where you get all of the cannabinoids and flavonoids in the processes and where they are and what they would need?

 

Dr. Jon  18:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so yeah, we can we can talk about that. I’ll talk about that as we’re tasting and perfect stuff like that. All right. All right, good. Good. Thanks for the questions, by the way. All right. So look here, here’s our calculators page, you can go to our website, calculators are at the top, and then scroll down.

 

Randall Thompson  18:24

That’s fun. Okay. Also, again, it’s really good to see you guys from Europe, from all over the country. This is This is good stuff. And we are going to announce our topic later in the show. But if you have any topics you want us to cover, let us know for future episodes. And you know, maybe there is a prize and if you as well we’re going to do next week because yeah, I’m I’m held. I’m been bound. I can’t speak right, uh, later on the show, right? So we’re good. I still am terrified. I’m going to break something.

 

Dr. Jon  18:59

Oh, that’s all right. Hey, you know what? We can do the calculators later. Look, I can just look it’s it’s there’s some technical difficulties that we’re having, which it does happen. Actually, this is the first time that that’s happened overall horrible.

 

Randall Thompson  19:12

Oh my gosh, I have technical difficulties in my brain all the time.

 

Dr. Jon  19:17

All right, well, let’s I will narrate them, and then we’ll then we’ll take it from there. How about that, guys? So, hey, so what I’d like you guys to do, it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a lot of fun. I’d like you to go to the calculators page. And if you scroll down to the bottom, there’s two calculators. One is a dosing calculator. And the other is how to manufacture a tincture calculator. Okay, and I’ll go through the dosing calculator First, let’s just kind of you guys open that up. Now the way to do it from memory

 

Randall Thompson  19:47

extraktlab.com  extraktlab.com/calculators, right?

 

Dr. Jon  19:54

Right, right, right. Okay, let’s do it. Okay, so the dosing calculator, let’s take Talk about that one first. Your the dose that you would have is really dependent upon the weight of your of the weight of your body. Okay, so if you put in your pounds how many pounds you are, you have to convert it if you’re in Europe to kilograms, it’s just divided by two times 2.2 I think so and that’ll give you your kilograms weight. You need to put in your weight in pounds. So that’s a that’s a 200 pounds or 100 pounds. You put that in there, then you decide what dosage your tincture is. So if if there’s a usually the tinctures are about 30 milliliters, okay. And and they have usually they’re about 33 milligrams per milliliter or 33 milligrams per serving. And a one serving is typically right around one milliliter. Okay, yeah. So you have to put that in there. And then you push the calculate button, you got to put in some stuff and it’ll tell you how you know basically, what the maximum amount you have. It’ll tell you what your dosages for high, medium and low dosage. It’ll tell you For example, what is your, you know, how many milligrams you would take per day? It’s got a whole bunch of figures in there for high, medium and low dosage. So how are we doing James?

 

Randall Thompson  21:11

And, and we’re close. One of the things that are is our technical difficulty is we are in the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  21:17

Yeah, I think that’s a that is an ad. We switched it at the last minute. Oh, man.

 

Randall Thompson  21:21

Yeah. So we’ve got usually in the other studio, we’ve got, you know, plugins and everything. And now we’re going kind of Wi Fi.

 

Dr. Jon  21:29

Yeah. So all right.

 

Randall Thompson  21:31

I know that that’s part of the issue.  and Quick, quick question. Yeah. Okay. So when we’re talking about body weight, my weight is about 165. Right when you add my ego out to about 300 pounds,

 

Dr. Jon  21:44

okay.

 

Randall Thompson  21:44

It’s like, Alright, three, click. Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  21:48

Hey, the calculator that’s up is the wrong calculator. Did you know that? Oh, you didn’t know that.

 

21:53

Okay. He doesn’t know. What do we do when

 

Randall Thompson  21:56

I just when I when I mentioned those kinds of things. know whether he’s paying attention. even hear a word I said,

 

Dr. Jon  22:04

No. I did not.

 

Randall Thompson  22:07

That’s when I get away with so much shit. I can’t even tell you. Man, why didn’t I ask a really good question. I don’t know, hey, I’ve got a really good client who needs a discount? Okay, sure he hears that I hear that.

 

Dr. Jon  22:21

Okay. All right. Let’s just skip this because it’s not working. So Alright, we’re gonna skip it. Sorry guys. I all like all the calculator mango that I did this morning. It’s, it’s all there for your enjoyment. So go ahead, take and explore it and, and we’re just gonna start trying out something.

 

Randall Thompson  22:41

Okay, so now what this means is this is rather than the calculator, it’s just trial and error. And I’m the guinea pig. Am I the test?

 

Dr. Jon  22:48

You’re the test. Oh, you’re the test.

 

Randall Thompson  22:50

Thanks. So okay, just so all of you guys know in the room here. Thanks. Okay. All right.

 

Dr. Jon  22:56

So let’s let’s do some tasting first. Okay. So this right here, here, there’s some different tinctures here. That’s it. That’s a Holus tincture right there. This is a Holus tincture.  Yeah. What does it say? Like

 

Randall Thompson  23:06

it says Key Lime

 

Dr. Jon  23:07

key lime, we got strawberry. Okay, so I’m gonna try a strawberry

 

Randall Thompson  23:11

16.5 milligram serving of key lime. Also, there’s a brand spanking new.

 

Dr. Jon  23:17

Okay, this is kind of interesting to see if you can take a look at this. So you can see this is almost clear. It’s got a slight color to it. Let’s see here, if you can see that. And then yeah, it’s it’s see it’s strawberry. So let’s see if I can taste it. This is typically what you do is you hold it under your tongue for like, 30 to 40 seconds.

 

Randall Thompson  23:41

I hold it for two minutes. It’s it’s better.

 

Dr. Jon  23:43

Two minutes.

 

Randall Thompson  23:44

Yeah, two minutes. I can hold my breath for two minutes. I won’t do that now.

 

Dr. Jon  23:54

Actually, it’s kind of funny watching people take tinctures

 

Randall Thompson  23:58

I thought I just go Key lime. You know what that needs?

 

Dr. Jon  24:03

A little mango habenero?

 

Randall Thompson  24:06

Little tequila?

 

Dr. Jon  24:08

You know what if we we’re gonna be so relaxed in like, an hour. If we sample all these I don’t think no way

 

Randall Thompson  24:17

challenge Challenge accepted.

 

Dr. Jon  24:20

Okay then try the mint then try the mint and try them and try the mega

 

Randall Thompson  24:23

Oh, this is okay that other one was 16 This is 33 Okay, so this this is my which one is

 

Dr. Jon  24:31

Oh, this is 16 yeah

 

Randall Thompson  24:32

16 that’s, that’s sweet. So this is this is nothing.

 

Dr. Jon  24:36

So this one is a og Kush. So this one right here is Kutz. This one is made up with terpenes like natural terpenes. So yeah, let’s try it.

 

Randall Thompson  24:47

All right. And

 

Dr. Jon  24:49

Oh Yeah, you can see the difference. I mean, it’s definitely got definitely got a lot. Or you can also it’s got a nice little graduated cylinder.

 

Randall Thompson  24:56

Same here. Look at that.

 

Dr. Jon  24:57

See that? That’s pretty sweet.

 

Randall Thompson  24:58

I got that.

 

Dr. Jon  24:59

Okay, I’m not gonna Take my time and take quarter.

 

Randall Thompson  25:02

A quarter. Quarter.

 

Dr. Jon  25:03

Yeah, yeah, just a quarter

 

Randall Thompson  25:04

is a quarter two bits.

 

Dr. Jon  25:06

You know what? That’s definitely got some. Oh, tastes great

 

Randall Thompson  25:14

Huh? What do you got me and try that. Okay whoo that’s got flavor. That’s terpeney

 

Dr. Jon  25:25

Does It Really?

 

Randall Thompson  25:26

Oh yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  25:27

it’s got mint and terpenes

 

Randall Thompson  25:28

mint terpenes

 

Dr. Jon  25:29

a full spectrum hemp flower oil. Okay here let’s check that out.

 

Randall Thompson  25:33

And it’s heavy duty. This is got 2000 milligrams in this bottle. I told you, then I tell

 

Dr. Jon  25:42

ya, it’s good.

 

Randall Thompson  25:42

It’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  25:44

It’s got that mint with a little bit of Oh yeah, that’s it.

 

Randall Thompson  25:47

There’s a good aftertaste. Yeah, it kind of blends on the tongue and just kind of grows right under the tongue and just kind of comes gives your tongue a hug. Right? With terpenes.

 

Dr. Jon  25:59

So okay, so So there’s a couple different things. You can swallow these tinctures and it’ll go into your gut basically. And, you know, it’ll, it’ll kind of, it won’t be metabolized as fast, right? It’ll go through, it gets metabolized through the liver. If you take them sublingually basically, it gets absorbed, you know, under the tongue. And so you have to have a carrier for that. And that’s why typically, alcohol is used because it’s a good carrier directly into your bloodstream and there’s some arterial blood that goes right under the tongue and it has a more direct way of getting into your bloodstream. So yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  26:34

oh, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  26:35

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  26:36

well, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  26:37

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  26:37

Oh, and look, certified pesticide free. No reason

 

Dr. Jon  26:41

This is a grape ape too. This is a grape ape. This is pretty good one

 

Randall Thompson  26:44

grape Ape?

 

Dr. Jon  26:45

Yeah, grape ape. That’s a cannabis strain

 

Randall Thompson  26:47

that ages me because I remember grape. Grape. That was a great thing. Great Cush. grip.

 

Dr. Jon  26:53

We see this is got this has got more like a real cannabis flavor. With with no one You know with no, let me see no, no like berry flavor or mint flavor is just straight up, you know? OG kush.

 

Randall Thompson  27:07

Yeah, that’s great. Well the other thing with this one is it’s got a thicker viscosity almost on it a little more oil base. I like that.

 

Dr. Jon  27:18

Whoo mango sorbet.

 

Randall Thompson  27:20

Oh, my

 

Dr. Jon  27:21

totally going to try that one

 

Randall Thompson  27:22

Yeah. You’re on a mango kick.

 

Dr. Jon  27:24

I like to I like berry flavors.

 

Randall Thompson  27:27

berry berry. All right, here we go. I’m gonna try it. Grape Ape. I wonder if I’m going to get any work done this afternoon.

 

Dr. Jon  27:34

Boy we got we do have work. Don’t we Randy? Wow. I taste it definitely has the mango. It’s very smooth. But it definitely had it definitely still has that cannabis background and

 

Randall Thompson  27:50

this one. Again, it just kind of there’s this little grapy flavor. Just slight. It’s not like overpowering. It’s an Not like, you know, drinking a shot of Welch’s. But, but then it’s just slight and then all of a sudden the terpenes just kind of a kick. Yeah, yeah. Bam.

 

Dr. Jon  28:11

Pretty good.

 

Randall Thompson  28:11

Bam.

 

Dr. Jon  28:12

Okay, I think we’ve had enough we’re gonna fall.

 

Randall Thompson  28:16

Oh, we’re good.

 

Dr. Jon  28:17

All right. Well, thanks.

 

Randall Thompson  28:18

We got that conditioning. Are you kidding me?

 

Dr. Jon  28:20

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:21

Okay. So all right. I’m looking at questions here. Good. Maxim. Thanks. Good guys. Good, Barney. Cool. Thanks. And look for that. The blog will have a lot of that on there, Barney. So just make sure you look right. Matthew. Good to see you, Richard. Good to see you. One of the things that we have been noticing on our sites just because of this dude here. We have a lot of PhDs and chemists on staff. And we speak chemist.

 

Dr. Jon  28:53

Oh, yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:54

Oh my gosh,

 

Dr. Jon  28:54

yeah, we kind of do.

 

Randall Thompson  28:56

Yeah, for us. You know, business and sales geeks.

 

Dr. Jon  28:58

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  28:59

It gets old. It never gets old. I’m sorry. Did I say that out loud?

 

Dr. Jon  29:03

You did

 

Randall Thompson  29:03

Did I have too much CBD?

 

Dr. Jon  29:06

I’m relaxed. I don’t care.

 

Randall Thompson  29:09

Oh, good. See now. This is awesome. But I think we need to do some very like this one was very good for chemists. Yeah, I think the only thing that we didn’t get to were the calculators, but go your chemists you explore right do r&d go to extraktlab.com/calculators and find those calculators because they’re awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  29:31

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  29:32

And in the blog we have several posts. How many white papers have you written on distillate and that would be very chemist specific.

 

Dr. Jon  29:40

Boy. How many white papers Well, we do blog posts we did guides we did blog posts, and then there must be at least we wrote we have at least 40 pages of FAQs

 

Randall Thompson  29:52

Yes.

 

Dr. Jon  29:52

Which I’ve you know put are very digestible because they’re just

 

Randall Thompson  29:55

okay and just so you know, the FAQs are not like a one or two sentence answer Okay, I mean they’re exhausted. This is a white paper. Okay. We make we make a white summer FAQ is I think I’ve seen citations on some of those.

 

Dr. Jon  30:11

Yeah, our guys go Can we just make this into a blog article instead of an FAQ? Oh, yeah, sure. Whatever Yeah, whatever.

 

Randall Thompson  30:16

Yeah, but but leave it as an FAQ because people want to know this answer. Yeah. All right. All right. Now one a couple of things that I wanted to show here just because it’s cool. You know, we got beaker beaker beaker all over the place. Okay. Okay. beaker beaker beaker. Okay, so there’s some really cool stuff. So why would you use this? Yeah. Or these little those are closer.

 

Dr. Jon  30:43

volumetric flasks. Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  30:44

so these are volumetric flasks. Okay, I apologize to all the chemists out there but those who are not chemists don’t know this stuff.

 

Dr. Jon  30:51

So yeah, let’s let’s make some stuff here. So let’s, let’s do some stuff. Let’s make it alright. So what do we need to do? Well, okay, I was going to start off with just Just kind of an ethanol extraction of some of some biomass.

 

Randall Thompson  31:05

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  31:06

Okay, because a lot of people who want to do DIY stuff at home, yeah, they might have some biomass. And they take some water. No, no, no, that’s fine. I just hear Oh, okay. So, first thing you do is you start off with some everclear.

 

Randall Thompson  31:17

Just take a shot and then start.

 

Dr. Jon  31:20

Yeah, so you buy it and you take a pour a cup. This is the reason you start off with everclear is that it’s a food grade alcohol, it doesn’t have a lot of water in it. And you know, you’re not, you’re not dealing with residuals except for like a lot of alcohol, okay? And it is going to extract the, you know, the, the biomass, okay? A lot of times what people do is they’ll, they’ll take some biomass, they’ll put it into a jar, like like this, okay? And then they’ll pour the everclear in there and they’ll let it sit for, you know, a week and they’ll, they’ll stir it and they won’t really get it’s not very efficient techniques, so you’re not going to get out a lot of the CBD or So you might just continue to put some more everclear in it. Usually you want to start off with something a lot smaller. You can also by the way, this is from our own farms. That worked out pretty good. This right here, shout out to Nevada Crest Farms. These guys are in Nevada obviously. They had some pretty good blend that they sent our way. Oh, Nevada Crest. Hey, get tried to try that out.

 

Randall Thompson  32:26

Shout out to Nevada.

 

Dr. Jon  32:27

Yeah. Yeah, it smells great.

 

Randall Thompson  32:29

Oh, that smells really good. Yeah, that’s in Nevada. Chris. They’re looking at expanding there. Yeah, facility. Yeah. You I just talking to Oh, really? Yeah. Cool. Sweet.

 

Dr. Jon  32:38

All right. So we’re gonna take some of their stuff and we’re gonna, we’re gonna take and do a little bit of an extraction. So we’re going to put a little bit in here. First of all, you see this is called a buchner funnel or a buechner funnel. And it has a paper in there. You can see that that as a filter paper, you put that in there and then you have like a little apparatus, which is a this is called a sidearm. Vacuum flask you can buy these on eBay, you can buy them on Amazon, or you can just not buy them at all and use like a coffee filter or something like that. Yeah, that that would be fine as well. And so you put a little bit of usually you want to wet the paper a little bit. So I’m gonna take this is not normally how we would do stuff, but we’re gonna we’re gonna do this DIY here today. So we’re just gonna pour a little bit of that on there. Kind of wet that paper. Smell that.

 

Randall Thompson  33:28

Oh, yeah. Okay, you all remember everclear in the wapa, Tooley college.

 

Dr. Jon  33:33

All right, we’re gonna put a little bit of that in there. All right. This is great for like pre rolls and things like that. And, or you can just extract it straight out. So usually what you would do is you would know, for example, the potency of that, and then you would measure out the amount of alcohol you’d be extracting it with, its you still wouldn’t really know what the end extraction would be. But you can make some assumptions. say if you have like 50% recovery or 40% recovery, then you can kind of calculate Okay, I have I have calculate how much is in there. So here we’re just going to add it in. And you can see now this is this is a really great illustration just on the issue with with with ethanol extraction. And that’s because now all that biomass is sucking up all of our alcohol you need a lot of it, and now we’re just gonna kind of roll it around there. And you can see down here, there’s a we’re getting tincture. Now, a lot of people want to just soak it, that’s fine, too. This, we’re just kind of doing this in a short term, and then we’re going to try all that you try it.

 

Randall Thompson  34:36

You’re awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  34:37

Yeah. It’ll be great to get all those terpenes out of there. And stuff like that. So while that is cooking, Okay, I’m gonna put this over here. That’s, that’s what you would do and you can put it into a jar and then you can decant it and filter it off and this would be considered to be a tincture, kind of an all natural tincture. Okay. Oh, yeah. So you can see it’s coming down.

 

Randall Thompson  34:59

So now when you do this, approximately, you know, if we do this, if this is you know what potency typically would that flower be?

 

Dr. Jon  35:08

So that would be to either, you know, anywhere from five to 15% and most likely right around 10% Okay, yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  35:15

so if you’re doing it this way, yeah, how much CBD will come down?

 

Dr. Jon  35:18

Yeah, not a lot. Not not very much. I mean, if you so you maybe get most of it is stuck in that in the matrix there you know, so that’s why a lot of people soak it for a long time. Okay, um, you know, so again DIY, do it yourself at home get a bottle of everclear but you can see there’s it’s definitely pulling some out.

 

Randall Thompson  35:37

Yeah, it’s very green. It’s Yeah, cool. Yeah, I can’t wait to taste it.

 

Dr. Jon  35:42

Yeah, we’re gonna we’re gonna taste it. We’re gonna taste it like real soon. As soon as we get this Alright, so and then um, let’s kind of go over some of the flavors. I was going to kind of show you guys some flavors here that you have guys can pick up any kind of flavor you want. Now these these. Okay, let me just talk a little bit about terpenes. And what what makes difference with terpenes okay not all terpenes are equal some terpenes are synthetic some of them are say fruit derived and some of them are steam distilled some of them are solvent is still some of them are like I said purely synthetic and some of them are also derived specifically from say hemp. These ones come straight from the hemp plant they’re, they’re not they’re not cut. They’re not they’re just natural

 

Randall Thompson  36:23

sure.

 

Dr. Jon  36:23

So this is kind of what you want to have if you want to have you want to maintain that hemp flavor and that hemp taste and stuff. In fact, these terpenes right here are some of the terpenes that you that you tasted in this OG Kush Okay, okay, so those are the OG Kush terpenes right there. Okay. So that’s one way to so

 

36:40

when you say that it’s you I use that to flavor

 

Dr. Jon  36:43

your you use that stuff to flavor your tincture

 

Randall Thompson  36:45

is this is this like when you say it’s right from the plant that’s pre

 

Dr. Jon  36:50

its pre processing,

 

Randall Thompson  36:51

pre processing all together? Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  36:53

So you would use a terpene trap.

 

Randall Thompson  36:55

Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  36:56

and in with that, that terpene trap would allow you just to just basically Take the terpenes directly from here and and get them into there. Got it. Okay, that’s the terpene trap. We have a product that does that for

 

Randall Thompson  37:09

because a lot of people do that and capture these post extraction.

 

Dr. Jon  37:14

Yeah, but they’re not good.

 

Randall Thompson  37:15

They’re not as good.  they’re Horrible.  Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  37:18

yeah, yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  37:18

So these we call angels tears,

 

Dr. Jon  37:20

right? Yeah, they definitely are angels tears and good stuff.

 

Randall Thompson  37:25

So you want it right from the plant. Yeah. If you

 

Dr. Jon  37:28

do it afterward, in other words, gather those. These terpenes up afterward, they just taste. They’re horrible. They don’t, they don’t smell good. They don’t taste good. Mostly because you have to really cook it in order to get it out. So and it’s been processed like three times already by the time it gets out. And so they’re degrading and all that stuff. So you want to make sure that you have some good, you know, nice terpenes. So we also so that’s one one particular flavor I would consider if you’re going to make a tincture For, you know that’s based on hemp, you’d want to have a little bit of terpenes in there. So we taste you know, something like the hemp plant. Some of your clientele however is just going to like something like the whole list products. Like I mean, I couldn’t taste any like the key lime or the strawberry, or the mint. I mean there was there any hemp in those at all terpenes that was labor. Was there a little bit? Yeah, maybe I didn’t taste it wasn’t as strong as it was in the

 

Randall Thompson  38:24

in some of them they were they were stronger in some than others.

 

Dr. Jon  38:28

Yeah, so the strawberry one I couldn’t taste at all maybe that’s just like, almost free you know, every of that. So yeah. And then let me see then you can use different flavors that you can go to amoretti or you can go to you know, different sources like here’s for example as we have or USDA Organic, organic tinctures that we had, by the way, so you want to make sure that you have the organic label, which means that this peppermint oil was grown organically extracted according to the organic principles and then to us in this beautiful package. Here. Then we could put into an organic product to show Hey, look, we’re 100% organic.

 

Randall Thompson  39:04

I love that.

 

Dr. Jon  39:05

Yeah, it’s good. It’s great. And so this is very, very concentrated peppermint oils. You can also get non organic and those would be like in fruity flavors and things like that. Like for example, of here’s here’s lemon oil terpene-less lemon oil, here’s some Casio oil for example, that’s more like cinnamon cinnamony

 

Randall Thompson  39:25

chocolate cream cocoa

 

Dr. Jon  39:27

look it here. sassafrass

 

Randall Thompson  39:28

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  39:28

Sassafrass, right. We should make we should put that sassafrass in there and see Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  39:34

awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  39:35

And then we’ve been doing a lot with like, you know, like hot flavors, like I think I really think that you know, like fusion you know, gonna have like, you know, you know the fusion cooking. Yeah, I think that that is really a great way in order to have that in like tinctures and things. So, I mean, if you can, you can mix and match like hot and you know,

 

Randall Thompson  39:57

sweet

 

Dr. Jon  39:58

the four essences you know Sweet sour, salt, earth, air, fire water you know, something along those lines, so you can have that in there and where would you know develop over time? So yeah, the taste and the flavor. Okay.

 

Randall Thompson  40:15

And by the way Samantha loves our geek,

 

Dr. Jon  40:17

okay.

 

Randall Thompson  40:18

Your geek, not my geek, your geek.

 

Dr. Jon  40:20

Okay. All right. Let me see here. We got isolate here. Okay, this is some of our raw products. So here’s some isolate. So that’s what that looks like. It looks beautiful white and it’s and then we have

 

Randall Thompson  40:33

it’s kind of fun when they dry it and they just

 

Dr. Jon  40:35

here’s some here’s some distillate. Okay, so that’s some distillate. So we would, we would make that up. And here’s some winterized oil. So again, all of these are decarboxylated. Here, you can see how they’re kind of flowing there.

 

Randall Thompson  40:49

Then this is,

 

Dr. Jon  40:50

yeah, and then that’s crude, crude, you know, smells smells crude. Oh, I just love the smell of co2 crude is so smells so wonderful. It just does. It’s just really smells good. Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  41:04

Look how thick that is. Oh my gosh.

 

Dr. Jon  41:06

I just like, Okay, it looks weird for me just sitting there smelling it. But if I think Oh yeah, I didn’t,

 

Randall Thompson  41:12

you know, you move it around. You can really smell that, it’s very very rich

 

Dr. Jon  41:16

crude smells so good. And then you know, the winterized. Again, it just kind of you lose a little bit of that beautiful. So if I was to make a tincture, you know, making like, making it with like, crude is actually a really great, great idea. So hey, we got we got ourselves, are we making it? Yeah, we’ve got ourselves a little bit of alcohol here. You can see that little tiny bit of alcohol tincture here that we’re making. Now. You don’t have to use only alcohol. In fact, let me talk to you a little bit about what the difference is between an alcohol tincture in what is known in the marketplace as a as a tincture. Usually, people don’t use alcohol because it’s their shipping issues and all that stuff. And so what they use Other excipients like coconut oils like MCT oils or sweet almond oil or they use glycerin or something along those lines, okay? Usually you want to stick with an oil, you can use hemp oil too. We have a whole bunch of hemp oil and organic hemp oil. That’s a really great way to do it too. Usually the hemp oil is green, and you know it comes out green. That’s the organic stuff. But most people I mean, if you look at the labels and you read the labels, most people are using an MCT which is a medium chain triglyceride. And you know, it has its own actually MCT oil has its own health benefits you can go up on on the web and look those up. So a lot of people are using those. So it doesn’t always have to be alcohol. It solves a lot of problems as if you don’t have to, you know, store a lot of everclear or food grade ethanol. So, okay,

 

Randall Thompson  42:53

so how are we making this?

 

Dr. Jon  42:55

Well, I don’t know. I think what we’re going to do first of all, we’re going to just taste it.

 

Randall Thompson  42:59

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  42:59

And then

 

Randall Thompson  43:00

I will use one of these little beakers

 

Dr. Jon  43:01

we’re going to take Yeah, so here it is. Here’s the. So let me take a look at this if you can real quick. So this is the extracted material and you would it’s not fully extracted for sure. But you can see that all of that ethanol, they’re still stuck in here. Yeah, in in the matrix there. It’s really hard to get out. So you’d have to centrifuge it or something to get it out of there.

 

Randall Thompson  43:21

I can’t wait to go to the matrix.

 

Dr. Jon  43:23

Matrix. Here we go. Well, I didn’t smell that like a chemist. You want to know how the chemist is supposed to smell stuff here. I’ll show Yeah, yeah, there you go. You know, you got it. You got it. That’s how it goes. Yeah. So okay, here you get a little beaker and I get a little beaker.

 

Randall Thompson  43:39

beaker beaker.

 

Dr. Jon  43:40

I want half of it and you can have it and then we’re going to use that as our base to try out some stuff here. Okay, I’m having fun. I don’t know about everybody here. I know. I see. There’s a lot of people on the show. Sorry, but I’m having a lot of fun. I hope I hope you guys are okay. Okay, well, bottoms up, man. yasu. Okay. Little tiny bit under the tongue maybe I think I’m gonna do this instead. What? Yeah, I’m gonna try this. I’m not gonna try the whole thing the way out. I’m gonna try it a little bit on my tongue. If you want a dropper there’s a dropper Okay, here we go. Oh my gosh that

 

Randall Thompson  44:18

warm.

 

Dr. Jon  44:19

It’s very hot. Oh, whoa, that’s a wow that. That’s the laminating my tongue.

 

Randall Thompson  44:26

April can you reserve the cot for me.

 

Dr. Jon  44:30

That’s a that’s what they call extreme burn. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Wow, okay, that’s something else.

 

Randall Thompson  44:40

Okay, so

 

Dr. Jon  44:42

are we wimpy or? I mean, we don’t drink everclear we drink whiskey but not everclear.

 

Randall Thompson  44:47

Wow. I mean, okay, I that has great flavor, though. I mean, ever clear burn. But you can really Taste the flower.

 

Dr. Jon  45:01

I you know what I think that is? I think what that is, is that the oils that were on our tongue, I think that they’re now desorbing in redissolving into our mouths

 

Randall Thompson  45:09

or that’s just my tongue.

 

Dr. Jon  45:11

I think you’re dissolving your tongue altogether. That’s probably all right. Okay, so this is okay, this is not Oh man, that’s killing it. Oh no, he’s gonna do it. Okay, you

 

Randall Thompson  45:25

got it. Done.

 

Dr. Jon  45:27

Okay. You could do that. Okay, now we’re gonna do here

 

Randall Thompson  45:32

I did it.

 

Dr. Jon  45:34

You did it. What do you want to you want to pin or something? Okay, I have it is okay, you know what? We don’t have a something that clear our palette in between. Or like

 

Randall Thompson  45:45

I did actually I had some water earlier. Oh, really? Yeah, I’m gonna try it before I tried this. I cleansed my palate. It must just be the dissolving of my tongue in the everclear. But,

 

Dr. Jon  45:57

you know after this, no one was gonna join our show again. All right. All right.

 

Randall Thompson  46:03

Are you kidding me? Everybody’s gonna be on.

 

Dr. Jon  46:05

All right, here we go. Now we’re gonna do some MCT stuff.

 

Randall Thompson  46:08

I think I think I could do if we if there’s something I could go *noise*. I could be a fireman. Fire breather. Here.

 

Dr. Jon  46:17

Pump me out a little MCT there

 

Randall Thompson  46:18

What?

 

Dr. Jon  46:18

Yeah, pump me out a little.

 

Randall Thompson  46:19

Oh,

 

Dr. Jon  46:19

you just pull that up.

 

Randall Thompson  46:20

pull this out.

 

Dr. Jon  46:21

Yeah, pull it pull it up. No, no, pull this up right here. Yeah, there you go.

 

Randall Thompson  46:24

pull this up.

 

Dr. Jon  46:25

Yeah, pull it up.

 

Randall Thompson  46:26

I’m trying

 

Dr. Jon  46:27

to pull it all the way up. And I’ll push it down.

 

Randall Thompson  46:31

How much?

 

Dr. Jon  46:32

Just give me a little bit. I don’t need a lot.

 

Randall Thompson  46:34

There you go.

 

Dr. Jon  46:35

Yeah, there it is.

 

Randall Thompson  46:37

I might need some of that.

 

Dr. Jon  46:38

Okay, then I’m gonna make, I’m gonna just kind of like a, it’s kind of like a buffet. So you could just go ahead and make I’m gonna. I’m gonna put a little crude in there.

 

Randall Thompson  46:51

Oh, my gosh.

 

Dr. Jon  46:52

A little crude in there. Now this crude is probably right around 60%. So you know whenever I probably I probably have about Quarter mil in there, so it’s not a lot. So put that in there. Okay. And then I put a little bit of put little bit of terpenes in there.

 

Randall Thompson  47:11

I love it when you open to this jar.

 

Dr. Jon  47:13

Yeah, this is wow. Would you like to have gallon stuff? Just give us a call,

 

Randall Thompson  47:20

pick up the receiver we’ll make  I’ll tell you what our terpTrap kills. I mean when right and you can do that. And that is money.

 

Dr. Jon  47:28

Money,

 

Randall Thompson  47:29

money.

 

Dr. Jon  47:29

Okay, here’s a little. You don’t need a lot. No, you don’t want to overpower it,

 

Randall Thompson  47:34

right. No, I mean, you should smell this. I mean,

 

Dr. Jon  47:36

I cross contaminated. Oh my gosh. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  47:40

what kind of chemist are you?

 

Dr. Jon  47:42

How many kinds are there? So you can see it’s not dissolving,

 

Randall Thompson  47:47

I don’t know. Okay, so a little bit.

 

Dr. Jon  47:50

We can we can do one or two things. Well, obviously, you can heat it, or you can do it. You can choose. You can also do a little bit of this. Oh, look at Okay, I know exactly what to do. We’re put this in a little centrifuge tube Oh, okay, we’re going to mix it all together. And we’re going to make it into one homogenous solution.

 

Randall Thompson  48:16

I feel like a homogenous solution. I know I’m getting there.

 

Dr. Jon  48:23

Okay. Oh yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  48:27

Look at that.

 

Dr. Jon  48:29

Total little do a little mixing. That’s it. I might have to add some ethanol to it to dissolve it. Possible. Oh, you can see this dissolve

 

Randall Thompson  48:37

it is dissolving a little bit, some more time and some heat probably. It probably needs some heat. Maybe you just pour some of this and that’s plenty of or some of this and go ahead and make your own.

 

Dr. Jon  48:48

Make your own.

 

Randall Thompson  48:49

I’m gonna blow something up

 

Dr. Jon  48:50

here. This is I like the sweet almond oil. There. Yeah, blow something up blows out. You can make an Isolate one. I’m gonna make a crude one.

 

Randall Thompson  49:01

Okay, all right.

 

Dr. Jon  49:01

Well, here’s this.

 

Randall Thompson  49:03

Oh, yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  49:03

put some sweet almond oil in there.

 

Randall Thompson  49:05

Okay, I’m gonna totally blow something up

 

Dr. Jon  49:06

put a little bit of peppermint in there and then

 

Randall Thompson  49:10

and then maybe put a little bit of lint in there. What do you say

 

Dr. Jon  49:13

whatever you want whatever

 

Randall Thompson  49:14

Well, I don’t mind but I mean Am I am I like

 

Dr. Jon  49:21

I wasn’t I wasn’t watching so I didn’t get it.

 

Randall Thompson  49:25

That’s kind of fun.

 

Dr. Jon  49:28

Okay, that’s it. That’s enough of that. I don’t we don’t have heat but that’s how you would, how would you dissolve that? First of all, if you were using like vegetable glycerin, you have a very hard time getting it in, you’d have to heat it up and it’s not it’s not really it’s not really soluble very because it’s not very soluble in vegetable glycerin. Okay. So you would need to do something with it. Within MCT oil though you can see it’s it’s dissolving but it’s slow. It’s going to take a little bit of time to do that. I’m going to I’m going to actually take it out and then in fortify it With some isolate

 

Randall Thompson  50:04

all of these really cool tools. I have no idea

 

Dr. Jon  50:07

I’m a smell it first. Well that smells great. Okay, now I’m going to there’s my slight I’m going to fortify this with some isolate

 

Randall Thompson  50:19

I think it’s boiling. Right and there’s no heat. This is an occasional listen. What do you do? Not, don’t blow up the r&d Lab.

 

Dr. Jon  50:36

They will not let us in here anymore. They kicked me out a long time ago. I remember we were doing our vape formulations. We sit in here all weekend long. This whole place if you just couldn’t see anything and like, boy, I I’m really relaxed outside we take a nap. Come back then. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  50:58

I do think at one point down the road. We need to take you up really good. And maybe next week we’ll make popcorn in the gemco.

 

Dr. Jon  51:05

Oh yeah, we can do that. We did that we had the pre pre pre Look at that.

 

Randall Thompson  51:10

Alright, so in this I have the peppermint. I put a little bit of our flower tea from nature’s crest By the way, and then I put a little bit of distillate in here and I know distillate is. So see what happens.

 

Dr. Jon  51:23

Yeah, normally you would be taking notes you’d be measuring everything out. I like like a good chemist would do. So that you would know what

 

Randall Thompson  51:31

I am not a good chemist

 

Dr. Jon  51:35

will see this has got a lemon terpene MCT with it should be very terpeney I’m gonna try it. For four to five. Did I tell you that you don’t need a lot of peppermint.

 

Randall Thompson  51:53

That’s a whole lot of peppermint. Okay, Don’t have to brush my teeth for like a week.

 

Dr. Jon  52:05

You’ll be you’ll be burping.

 

Randall Thompson  52:08

Peppermint,

 

Dr. Jon  52:08

peppermint. Yeah, here we go. I’m gonna try this one now.

 

Randall Thompson  52:13

What’d you get

 

Dr. Jon  52:14

I made in the right proportions dude

 

Randall Thompson  52:16

Did you?

 

Dr. Jon  52:17

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  52:17

Well, that’s good. Is it?

 

Dr. Jon  52:19

Yeah. I’m

 

Randall Thompson  52:21

will it cut the peppermint a little bit.

 

Dr. Jon  52:23

No, it’s got. Well, it’s got Let me see here what it’s got. It’s got lemon oil terpene-less, lemon oil. It’s got a little bit of these terpenes You know, one thing about terpenes is that they do have a burning characteristic.

 

Randall Thompson  52:37

Yeah.

 

Dr. Jon  52:38

So you always have to limit them. If this is especially when you’re doing your vapors. You want to make sure you limit your terpenes otherwise you’re gonna have a lot of burn.

 

Randall Thompson  52:46

Oh, that’s that’s, that’s very lemony.  It’s very lemony.  Did I make it? I was a little worried.

 

Dr. Jon  52:57

That’s good lemon law. This definitely has It’s got a little bit of that lemon rind taste to it because I can taste in the back. Like, you know, they’re like a lemon.

 

Randall Thompson  53:06

Okay, okay, that’s not lemon rind its zest or those of you who cook it’s called zest. Okay. All right. Yes. That’s like, Oh, that’s good.

 

Dr. Jon  53:16

Yeah, it definitely

 

Randall Thompson  53:18

That was good.

 

Dr. Jon  53:18

Definitely

 

Randall Thompson  53:19

way better than my way way better.

 

Dr. Jon  53:23

This is this is basically a isolate fortified crude oil MCT with lemon. No, yeah. lemons. So it definitely has. It has limonene in it for sure. And a little little in it little which has been about a wash, which is a terpene. It definitely has it. It’s about

 

Randall Thompson  53:46

five times really fast.

 

Dr. Jon  53:50

Okay, all right. And I put some of this in there too.

 

Randall Thompson  53:53

I know. But see, that is sweet. Thank you for being here. And thank you for enjoying our tincture creation mad scientist r&d lab here. So this is awesome.

 

Dr. Jon  54:07

Let’s do a recap.

 

Randall Thompson  54:08

Okay.

 

Dr. Jon  54:09

Okay, first, we first we had a wonderful presentation that I put together

 

Randall Thompson  54:14

Yes, it was really four slides you said three what

 

Dr. Jon  54:17

was it

 

Randall Thompson  54:18

was kind of a bait and switch

 

Dr. Jon  54:20

and then get the calculators go go on the calculators, give us some feedback on things like that, please do that. And then we try you know, we did a an extraction, basically ethanol extraction using everclear and some stuff and some of this seamless blend here. You can see it’s still it’s still in there. You might want to extract it again and again. But

 

Randall Thompson  54:44

yeah, you can do that and with really good tea, and my dear friend does golden water turtle tea, and you can you can fuse that like seven times. So that’s probably the same thing you can do here. You can just keep pouring in and Running and go.

 

Dr. Jon  55:00

Yeah. And you can use in terms of. So that’s one way to do it. If you’re doing an ethanol extraction, you can use distillate you can use crude you can use isolate, and then, you know, the,

 

Randall Thompson  55:12

and you can totally get this stuff online, just

 

Dr. Jon  55:18

I would, okay, there’s a couple different things. When you buy amoretti flavors, be careful. You want to buy the oil soluble flavors, you don’t want to buy the water soluble flavors because they, they are not very miscible. In other words, they won’t really go into Okay, and so you might say like, Oh, I like that flavor. I like that flavor. And then you have a whole bunch of them in there like watersoluble so don’t buy those. I’m just saying I just saved everybody $100

 

Randall Thompson  55:41

Oh, there you go. Don’t buy the water soluable. Oh, hey, Barney has another quick question. He didn’t know terpenes burn.

 

Dr. Jon  55:48

Oh, he Oh yeah

 

Randall Thompson  55:50

why would they burn?

 

Dr. Jon  55:51

Well, they’re they’re about because they’re organic. Just like any anything else organic will burn like MCT oil will burn. You know, fuel light you can light distillate on fire obvious so so he’s

 

Randall Thompson  56:02

not talking about like every clear burn that burns when you taste

 

Dr. Jon  56:05

oh yeah no

 

Randall Thompson  56:06

Okay, he’s talking about you can light it on fire.

 

Dr. Jon  56:08

Oh yeah you can do that you can do that too.

 

Randall Thompson  56:12

So it’s a good thing we don’t have anything

 

Dr. Jon  56:13

Hey, you know okay so I don’t think I was involved in the formulation of these well let me see here

 

Randall Thompson  56:21

that about to change

 

Dr. Jon  56:24

is actually quite good and I still have a lot of lemon so if I if I took this one I have lemon strawberry.

 

Randall Thompson  56:29

Yes of course I’ll have peppermint strawberry. I’m gonna have peppermint spaghetti for dinner tonight. Probably

 

Dr. Jon  56:40

Strawberry Fields Forever

 

Randall Thompson  56:43

I still want to sing. Oh, that should be next week’s episode.

 

Dr. Jon  56:46

No, no

 

Randall Thompson  56:46

sing along karaoke. All right, okay, so then an optimum thinner for people looking.

 

Dr. Jon  56:56

Okay, thinner to vape oil. See very careful with thinners okay that you do you guys remember the vape crisis?

 

Randall Thompson  57:05

Yes.

 

Dr. Jon  57:06

Okay.

 

Randall Thompson  57:06

Yeah. Like for example, a lot some of the compounds used in the thinners that were used, which which are terpene,  thinners Essentially, we’re vitamin E acetate, which was a problem. So be careful about what you’re using. Look at the ingredients. And a lot of times, people will say, oh, they’ll they’ll say, Okay, here’s a terpene thinner for you. They won’t tell you what it is. You can’t use that. Because you don’t know what it is. And someone might actually for vape, you know, you sure might get in trouble. So don’t use anything that you don’t have. Like, you know what everything what it is. Sure. So yeah, just just in there’s a just because it’s healthy to ingest doesn’t mean it’s healthy to vape.

 

Dr. Jon  57:52

That’s correct. That’s correct. And the other thing there is that if you Yeah, I mean, people died as they took Vitamin E acetate, which is an oil.

 

Randall Thompson  58:02

Yeah,

 

Dr. Jon  58:02

you know, and they were vaping it so yeah, so be very careful with thinners because they’re proprietary. And people don’t want to tell you what’s in the thinner.

 

Randall Thompson  58:10

You should never use that. So don’t do that. Okay, thank you for the hundred percent Samantha awesome. And Chris has a quick question about nano emulsification still use oil based not water based.

 

Dr. Jon  58:23

Okay, so using water based, you can use like a water based with a nano emulsion. That’s great. I would do that. We have some water based there like one shots or something like that. We wouldn’t do that this time, but we could have and basically

 

Randall Thompson  58:37

sounds like a future episode.

 

Dr. Jon  58:38

Yeah, yeah, you can get all kinds of fruity flavors in there. So those are typically used in like, like water formulations, like, you know, like sodas and seltzer waters and, and like shots like energy shots and things like that. I know people also sell them as quote unquote, tinctures. You know, why not? You can put it in teas and things like that. That also works and There’s a lot of different ways to nano emulsify, okay? A lot of it involves like equipment. Basically you need a high pressure homogenizer or medium pressure or low pressure homogenizer. And you can get with a low pressure homogenizer, you can get down to the micron level, your, your water’s gonna be a little cloudy. And you’re always going to taste it a little bit on the back of your tongue. But you know, it works.

 

Randall Thompson  59:25

Sure,

 

Dr. Jon  59:25

yeah. And then as you go down into the nano size and the nano emulsions that are occurring, sometimes people using a combination of emulsifiers, which are chemicals, which I’m not a big fan of, but you know, they’re used in foods and things like that. And what else there and also high shear and homogenization. So that’s like equipment, plus chemicals is what you need there and it’ll work. It works just fine. We have done formulations that way. We have some great formulations along those lines. We could probably try. Try some of those. Okay,

 

Randall Thompson  59:59

Love it. Okay. So one of the other questions. And by the way, Chris said they are using water. So sweet. Good, good, Chris. Okay. So next week, we need to announce what our topic is for next week.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:15

Yeah, I’m getting like,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:17

and here’s, what do you think?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:18

I don’t know.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:19

Okay, one of the things that I’ve thought of I mean, these are things that we need to do. We can we’ve been in the r&d lab here. Now. What about going outside?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:27

We could,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:28

what about chucking in buckets?

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:30

We could do that. Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:31

I mean, that’s an option.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:32

Yeah.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:32

We mean, you know, most of the crops are in now. Right.

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:35

Yeah. But that were that would probably be like a harvest thing.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:39

Right. So that would probably be thinking about that over

 

Dr. Jon  1:00:41

Yeah, we could do that.

 

Randall Thompson  1:00:42

Yeah. What what they need, what tools are that are coming up, whether you’re indoor or outdoor, because now they have to start budgeting and thinking and what they’re doing and you know, you want I’m a planner? Yeah. Okay, that’s fine. I mean, that that’s something we could do, we could do that. The other things that we can do is talk about, you know, protocols between the rooms.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:02

Yeah,

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:03

I mean, there’s a lot of things we could talk about anything we can talk. We could even go into, you know, some of the condensing, potentially.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:10

And I think anybody you know, our super technical topics.

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:13

Yep.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:14

those are those are those tend to you know, there’s we could do some of those, but why I think we just want to do like demonstrations and things like that. So I think Yeah, okay.

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:23

I love it.

 

Dr. Jon  1:01:23

What do you what do you what what is your Muse?

 

Randall Thompson  1:01:26

Any thoughts? Guys? Any thoughts out there? We’d love to hear from you. Yeah, okay. So Otherwise, it’ll be a surprise. We will be announcing it in a couple of days. What we’re doing right in is one of these three topics, right? So let’s go Alright, well done, great show. Thank you for being here. Look at all our resources, calculators, mini courses, our blog posts, white papers, everything they’re out there for you to use. Congratulations again to Adam young in Colorado Springs, our winner of the grab bag and we’re going to get you some rubber gloves. Also, thank you for all of your questions. This has been awesome. It has been fun. And this is our favorite part of being here actually just kind of doing this stuff. It’s a blast. And it was fun. They finally let me out and into this room. I’ve been dying to be here. So thank you go to YouTube. Look at all of our resources. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you again for being here. There will be a replay. So share this with your friends. We love it. And this will be out there. And we’ll reach out to sample winners for today. Okay, so there’s going to be samples. So we will be reaching out to you today if you’re a winner. So while you’re all winners, because you’re here, right? We’re winners because you’re here, like so. Alright man. Thank you.

 

Dr. Jon  1:02:42

See ya

 

Randall Thompson  1:02:43

Have a great show.

 

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