Advanced Solvent Removal Without Rotovaps


In this episode of extrakTALKS, Dr. Jon and Randall Thompson discuss the ongoing bottleneck of solvent removal with rotovaps and extraktLAB’s fracTron three-stage falling film evaporator solution. Listen close to the pros and cons of traditional rotary evaporators, current falling film technologies, and why the fracTron is the most cutting edge technology in solvent removal.


Welcome to extrakTalks with Dr. Jon podcast. Dr. Jon is CEO and president of extraktLAB and United Science; an industry leader in hemp, cannabis and the extraction industry. Listen closely as Dr. Jon talks about his experiences, CBD extraction methodology and the ins and outs of owning your own business. Dr. Jon teaches you healthy business practices, how to increase your profits and steps to take your CBD company to a whole new level. Let’s dive in.


Randall Thompson  00:34

Hey, guys, welcome. Oh, now I can welcome I started early. Oh, who knows? Who knew 


Dr. Jon  00:42

who knew? 


Randall Thompson  00:43

And Challenge accepted. You see Dr. Jon over here.


Dr. Jon  00:47

Getting just getting the calculator finished.


Randall Thompson  00:50

Welcome. Welcome. appreciate you guys being here. I love your questions. Man. You guys are on it. And by the way, thank you for all you who were commenting about last week. Episode which was on making the best tincture ever. And somebody said that we were actually what Cheech and Chong in lab coats.


Dr. Jon  01:09

Yeah, pretty much went and took a nap. Right after.


Randall Thompson  01:12

Thanks for that, by the way, okay. And we had winners, we’d like five winners, Jared, you know, gives me the sheet and there’s like a paragraph of stuff on how do I say this? Okay, so I’m going to just jump right into the winners because that’s the most important right? 


Dr. Jon  01:28

It is 


Randall Thompson  01:28

topics and education isn’t 


Dr. Jon  01:30

we giveaway stuff. 


Randall Thompson  01:31

We do giveaway stuff. We are doing the rotovap rumble today, just so everybody knows you. That’s why you’re here. But tincture giveaways. Richard Spears, Chris rosamma. JOHN Westlake Matt neck Brodsky Nick Brodsky, Nicholas. How ke ds halkidiki helikites. Sorry. Sorry, Nicholas. Thank you. You all received five milliliter samples tincture and Apparently they are not my Thompson special


Dr. Jon  02:03

Oh, the 200 proof alcohol.


Randall Thompson  02:05

It was quite an afternoon By the way, yeah, after that show, and, but they are mystery flavors. So when you get them and taste them, send back or post what you think the mystery flavor is? And if you guessed correctly, you win something, right, Jared? Yeah, yes. Okay, so we got it. We got the thumbs up. Yes, you win something. Okay, so stay active. There’s a lot more chances to win. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Like our videos. There’s a lot of education, all our stuff is there. Okay, I keep bringing up the Sorry, I’m putting the piece of paper in front of me. But it’s a long paragraph that Jared put your next 10 comments on any video will be entered to win a drainDROYD hoodie. 


Dr. Jon  02:51



Randall Thompson  02:51

And we’re wanting to do a are we doing a sound effect for DrainDROYD? 


Dr. Jon  02:56

We are but we don’t have it programmed in yet. 


Randall Thompson  02:58

Oh, but it’s gonna go DrainDROYD. 


Dr. Jon  02:59

Something like that. 


Randall Thompson  03:00

DrainDROYD.  Does that sound good to you like that? Okay, prizes never stopped around here. That’s, that’s very poetic, Jared. That’s very nice. We just, you know, we and we did send a swag bag to Barney in the UK. 


Dr. Jon  03:14



Randall Thompson  03:15

So that’s gonna be nice. So any of you, you all have been to many of our shows, the trade shows and things through through the last year. And if you’ve got our hat or t shirt, whatever, you know, find yourself in a compromising position with that gear and take a picture, but doesn’t have better if it is. Well, it’s good. That’s social media. greatness right there. So but take a picture and then we send gear when we see that we’ll hook you up with something nice from


Dr. Jon  03:42

I think that we definitely have given away at least 10,000 t shirts


Randall Thompson  03:47

10,000 t-shirts


Dr. Jon  03:48

at least that and probably double them on a hats. That’s that’s, that’s not including the little swags and stuff. So yeah, we’ve given away a lot. We’re not cheaper on here now.


Randall Thompson  03:58

All right. So again, if you’re new here Welcome, thank you. This is a fun place. This is a place to ask tough questions, fun questions. We don’t really answer the personal questions even though they have come. He’s embarrassed because they’re always for him. No Holds Barred, join chat, invite your friends there will be a replay if your screen gets frozen for any reason other than other technology, the technology we use, you just push that red button on the top that will reconnect you and it doesn’t take you all the way out. It gets you right back in so that’s good enough enough said a live tour resources CBD jam session I just got off a CBD jam session with Turkey sweet.


Dr. Jon  04:40

You order the Istanbul Express?


Randall Thompson  04:43

That would be fun. And by the way, it’s content 


Dr. Jon  04:45

and I always order by the double


Randall Thompson  04:47

Yeah, see I’m Greek by marriage so it’s Constantinople still? 


Dr. Jon  04:51

Okay, all right. thats fine. 


Randall Thompson  04:53

You know, we just 


Dr. Jon  04:53

that’s fine. Whatever it happens 


Randall Thompson  04:55

thrown down. Advanced extraction guide distillation Guide calculator library boy And we’ve got new calculators coming we’re gonna show you later on. And my new course library is coming. Thank you for the questions that are already pouring in today. Okay, enough of all of that crap. Sorry. Today rotovap rumble 


Dr. Jon  05:16



Randall Thompson  05:16

that’s kind of my nomenclature, advanced solvent removal without rotovaps or pros and cons of falling film versus *indistinguishable*. That’s hard to say that five times real fast versus rotovap distillation equipment.


Dr. Jon  05:32

Alright, there we are. Is that is that was that your pros and cons, pros and cons of falling film versus rotovap distillation equipment. 


Randall Thompson  05:38

That was just once. It’s fun to get this scientist. Alright, good. So let’s without further ado, we’re going to talk about how to get rid of bottlenecks in your CBD process, right? We’re going to be talking about you know, streaming blah, blah, blah. So I’m going to let you jump by the way, introduce yourself. in the chat, if you would tell us who you are, and where you are in the process, whether you’re a farmer, you’re a chemist, right? Whether you are a processor, co Packer, investor, let us know those, those would be good. And then questions that you have about this process, right? Like, what the hell is falling film?


Dr. Jon  06:21

What is it? And why do we use it?


Randall Thompson  06:23

Exactly where do we use it and where do we use it? Okay, good. All right. So all of that sorry for that big diatribe.


Dr. Jon  06:28

No, no problem. No problem. Okay, so why don’t we Why don’t we get right into the I of course, I have a table. You guys know that. Right? I have a table. I have a comparison table. 


Randall Thompson  06:38

Where’s the one button? 


Dr. Jon  06:39

It has to be? Yeah. There’s Randy’s been. Yeah.


Randall Thompson  06:45

We do have sound effects today. So there might be some technical issues, but it’s gonna be fun.


Dr. Jon  06:51

All right. All right. So let’s jump in. Let’s jump in. This shouldn’t take very long, maybe five minutes and we’ll have a conversation and you


Randall Thompson  06:58

all know that his five minutes is real. 25 out. Yeah,


Dr. Jon  07:01

probably about that. 


Randall Thompson  07:03

Those analytical chemists. 


Dr. Jon  07:05

They, okay, there they are,


Randall Thompson  07:07

but it’ll be fun.


Dr. Jon  07:08

The pros and cons of falling film versus rotovap distillation, 


Randall Thompson  07:12

I’m at the edge of my seat. 


Dr. Jon  07:13

Okay, here we go. Okay. Yeah, there’s Oh, they’re saying just one second. Are we set? Okay, good? Yes. All right. So, look at this, here it is. Here’s a rotovap vs falling film. This is a rotovap here, everybody’s seen those, those are in there. Those are in the laboratory. They’re all over the place. They’re small, they’re big lots, typically in in like hemp processing. They would be you know, they would be like a 20 to 50 liter range approximately. They have a condenser, you can see the condenser up there. And then it can then solvent side of it too. So and the heating bath so what happens is you in the inlet port, you turn on the vacuum. So this is all under vacuum, you hook up your vacuum here. And then you’re sucking in the fluid through the inlet port into this glass round bottom. And once you have it, you know about maybe a quarter of the way full, you raise this heating bath and the heating bath is you know, 60 degrees Celsius for example. And for for if you’re going to do like ethanol, you have different temperatures you can set this heating bath at and it basically the the ethanol will start to evaporate, it comes up here, and then it starts to condense on these cold condensers. So there’s a chiller that’s required over here, that will hook up to these condensers here, and then it’ll start to drip down into here. So here you can see it’s separating, separating everything which is pretty cool. That is in contrast to say a falling film, which is a little bit different. It has the same type of idea of evaporation plus condensation, okay, but it does it in a slightly different way. You can see this is a just an artist’s depiction drew this artist’s depiction of what a falling film looks like here you have the fluid coming in. So this is the same thing as the inlet port here, the fluid come in here, and then it would start to drop down and fall down by gravity. Now on on these inside inside of these tubes, this is actually an array of tubes that are kind of welded together here and they go on the inside. Now, on the outside of those tubes, you have heat, it was fluid, any fluid that’s that’s circulating over those tubes, so it’s always hot. And as the falling film goes down through the tubes, what’s neat about that is it it starts to, you know, it starts to evaporate, okay, here’s the inlet to the tubing . Here’s the inlet. Here, it starts to fall down here, and then it comes down here, there’s a bunch of gas then you know the ethanol plus, plus the oil is in this area. It basically migrates through the these tubes here and then on top. To the condenser so you can see this condenser here that’s actually a separate unit. So this is an evaporation machine right here and in the condensers off over here so you can see the difference instead of a round bottom you have a bunch of tubes that are arrayed or some sort of packed bed that’s another way to do it. Which is basically you know, instead of having a bunch of tubes you have just like a packing in there and the fluid will follow for the packing. Okay, that’s that’s another way to do it.


Randall Thompson  10:31

Okay, so I apologize but no, no, what’s running through my head right now is on the rotovaps with the glass round bottom. Well, I think of is Queen with fat bottom girls song. And on the right when we’re talking about the the whole falling film array. I don’t know why but David Bowie’s in my head. I can just hear him singing a falling film song. I think so. Sorry. All right. Go on.


Dr. Jon  11:00

Good, let’s go Go get me off my mojo here. Okay sorry so uh alright so here we go to the next one pros and cons rotary evaporator for ethanol removal okay so you have two different ways of doing this the pros and cons of just the rotary evaporator. So this is the rotary evaporator okay. Like I said, it’s used all over the world and you’re everywhere and they’re everywhere, everywhere. So the con is that you have to have a batch process. So for example, once the solvent comes out here, comes out here condenses in here and there’s oil left here, you keep on adding more but eventually this is going to fill up you have to stop take this round bottom off. And then you have to put a new round bottom on or clean it out, put a new round bottom on or you have to and and also you have to remove the solvent that’s in there. So if you’re running for example, overnight or something like that, you’re gonna eat you know, really have to have someone come in periodically to either fill it up or or remove the


Randall Thompson  12:05

sounds like a pain in the ass


Dr. Jon  12:07

it is now there are some of these that that have been made that will automatically remove you know some of the solvent here but ultimately you’re really gonna wants to start to fill up with with oil and with product you’re going to have to remove it so that’s what we call a batch process so you starting your stopping you filling starting stopping filling I have never been I have never broke any one of these but people who work for me have broken them. And so you know I think that the main thing there is if you have high quality glass you’re probably not going to break them so if but if you’re buying some cheap piece of equipment there are there are definitely some Yep, that’s what’s gonna have breakage. Yeah, it’s gonna break. So uh, yeah, we had that but that would be bigger. For for We’re never we’re never going to get away from that now. Okay, he showed me last year. It’s not as robust. We can even increase the volume there. Yeah.


Randall Thompson  13:09

There we go. Now that sounds like it would be a 20 liter round bottom. Yes. Yeah. breaking it. Okay, here’s


Dr. Jon  13:19

my gosh, what was that? 


Randall Thompson  13:22

That was not me. 


Dr. Jon  13:22

Oh, that was wrong button no Rammstein today, okay. A one temperature distillation. Okay, so that’s the other kind of the pro and the con is that, you know, typically you’ll have a one temperature here on this heating bath, okay, and you’re not going to really ramp it up over time. Right? Okay, because it’s going to stay there at one temperature. So if you have multiple solvents that you’re trying to remove in here, you would do that. You you would set the temperature at one temperature you do everything and then you’d put the put it back in and then increase the temperature again.


Randall Thompson  13:59

Okay, so Typically, is it a very different temperature? depending on what you’re evaporating?


Dr. Jon  14:05

Yeah. Okay. So if you have pentene, or if you have ethanol, or if you have water or they’re all going to be different, okay, so


Randall Thompson  14:12

in our world if we’re using if we’re evaporating ethanol, for example, right, what would be a typical temperature?


Dr. Jon  14:18

You typically within within this under vacuum, we would typically run this around 60 degrees Celsius. 


Randall Thompson  14:24



Dr. Jon  14:24

Yeah, something like that. And you don’t run it at the boiling point, because it’s under vacuum. You know, the whole purpose of the vacuum is really to lower the boiling point anyway. So


Randall Thompson  14:33

because that would be even more dangerous.


Dr. Jon  14:35

Yeah. Okay. One temperature distillation. So that’s a, that’s an issue. And then if you’re trying to scale this up, suppose you’re trying to do you know hundreds of liters or you know, right thousands of liters even then you really don’t have a, you have a scalability issue because you’re having to take the batch processing, you’re having to do it again and again, you know, stop, start, stop start, you’re going to have to have People in order to do that labor, and then you’re going to be dealing with a whole lot of glassware and potential breakage. And if you have a lot of those types of if you have a lot of that, okay. Oh my gosh, we’re, we’re totally okay scalability product degradation, if you have to heat it up really, really hot in order to get all of the solvent out. Then you will have product degradation for example, sometimes there are there are mixtures of solvents, say like ethanol and water. And they’re very, very hard to remove each removed from each other. So difficult to get oil out of the glass bulb. I don’t know. You have to get your arm down in there. Typically, if it’s a very large glass bowl, think about that. Yeah, it’s, it’s, we should, James, we can’t have these on here. It’s not it’s 


Randall Thompson  15:53

no, you can’t take them away. They’re mine. 


Dr. Jon  15:56

All right, all right here and then very low throughput, okay. So So, the pros are that it’s effective. It works. It works and and it’s in. It’s relatively inexpensive, 


Randall Thompson  16:08

depending on breakage. 


Dr. Jon  16:09

Yeah. Okay, so, exactly. So if you have say 20,000 or $30,000 worth of oil in your, in your round bottom and you break it, you know, you might be able to recover some of it, but you’re gonna have to filter it and oh, yeah, just make sure there’s no get glass shards in there. Right. So I yeah, I don’t think that that would be very good. So anyway, the pros and cons of the falling film evaporator. The pros are throughput typically the falling film evaporator. What’s awesome about it is that you don’t have to have a batch process you can just continuously re circulate your product is pretty consistent and also product preservation because the residence time, the time that it you know, it, that the material sees the heat is very short, as opposed to a road map where you’re always constantly you balding, it takes a long time to go through. Let me see here following film cons batch process. cleanability expense. Okay, so not all falling film evaporator ‘s are equal, okay. Okay. Some of them are batches, they made them into batches. So like for example if I have to have a ever increasing temperature available to get all my solvent out Now usually you’re going to do that in a batch process like for example, here it is right here, this right here, you’re going to change the temperature and then you’re going to push it through, you’re going to get everything you’re gonna take this stuff out again, change the temperature, okay, push it through, and then it would recirculate this way. 


Randall Thompson  17:43



Dr. Jon  17:43

Just like that. So, in that sense, the falling film and traditional falling film, they do have the con of a batch process if you’re trying to have increasing amounts are you’re trying to change the conditions as your as your research relating it, okay. I’m also From the standpoint of cleanability, it’s a little there’s really easy to clean this, if you just think about all those tubes, how to clean them, right? That’s, that’s an issue. So unless they’re really large tubes, and you can put a lot of like solvent through them to clean them cleanability here is is is is an issue. Okay. So that’s one thing you need to think about. Also, they’re more expensive, way more expensive than rotovaps. Yeah. And, and also, if you have very viscous fluids, and you’re, you’re putting them into your, you’re falling film through those tubes. If they end up bridging in one of the tubes, they could plug the tube.


Randall Thompson  18:38

So if it’s a thicker gunk, 


Dr. Jon  18:41

if it’s thicker, the thicker the the thicker it is, the worse it’s a possibility of applying tougher and


Randall Thompson  18:47

then not only from running, but then from draining. Right,


Dr. Jon  18:49

right. Right, right. So you’ll see a lot of these on the market. They look something like this. Typically there’s a couple condensers over here, and typically what people do They, they run it once and then they’ll run it, they’ll collect the oil, and then they’ll run it again and then they’ll run it again. So what they’re trying to do is get down to you know, 2000 to 5000 ppm of, of ethanol left so they could put it into their distillate, right. So that that’s their kind of their goal. 


Randall Thompson  19:20

Because that’s what so that’s why they have acceptable 


Dr. Jon  19:22

Yeah, and that’s why you need to really do it again and again, and again, with a lot of lot of the systems that are out there. So that’s the that’s the pros and cons related to like rotary evaporators and falling films. Now, we have taken the idea of the falling film, and we’ve evolved it past it, we’ve evolved it very simply, number one, we recognized early on that people don’t really like to, you know, recycle their fluids again and again and again in a falling film system. Okay. So what we did was we put three of them together and we We only have tubes in the first one in the second and third one, we have a special packing material that we use so it doesn’t get plugged. Because the viscosity increases considerably as it goes from the first column. The second column to the third column gets smaller and thicker and thicker and there it’s more prone to plug. So we’re eliminating the plugging issue. The end, it also eliminates the batch processing issue. You don’t have to stop and redo it again, change your conditions and redo it again, because each column that we have in succession, essentially is a, you know, is a is a new condition. Let me just fast forward here and I’ll show you what it looks like. There’s what it looks like. Oh, okay, that’s our rendition of a falling film. falling Film evaporator. This you can see there’s three separate evaporators each one of those can be held at a different temperature, which is pretty sweet. Yeah, there’s condensers that are up in front and each of the condensers can also use You can direct how many watts are being dumped in those condensers with each fraction, so that’s pretty cool. Here’s a pump, that’s a feed pump, the pump basically feeds directly into this first fraction in the ethanol gets removed, 


Randall Thompson  19:22

and that’s where the tubes are. 


Dr. Jon  19:40

Yeah, that’s where tubes are. And then here we have the second fraction, and this is where the packing is, and then the third fraction, and then here’s where the packing is. So the oil coming out of here is ready to go right into your still.  Wow,  yeah, it’s pretty sweet. 


Randall Thompson  21:28

So it’s three passes, 


Dr. Jon  21:30

it’s three passes 


Randall Thompson  21:31

and all that other one it would have you’d have to recycle it through the tubes three times 


Dr. Jon  21:35

change your conditions, recycle change your conditions, recycle


Randall Thompson  21:37

and you’d have to probably increase heat because of the thicker


Dr. Jon  21:40

right. So, so, this is all done once in a row. This is a reservoir for the solvent that is being collected here, here and here. So this is a reservoir and you have a fluid reservoir, and this constantly will eject out solvent. This will constantly remove the actual oil out so you can hook this directly to your your distillate machine if you’d like to, you can also change the conditions on this final one to, you know, do like decarboxylation in that column, which is pretty sweet. 


Randall Thompson  22:13



Dr. Jon  22:14

So, you could for those who are, you know don’t decarboxylated ahead of time they want to decarboxylated after you can use this third column for decarboxylation The other thing that you can do with this machine that you that is a evolution beyond what a traditional falling film will do is you can collect each of these fractions separately. So, you could use it for for example fractionation of terpenes if you wanted to have you know, if you want to have different terpenes with different boiling points, you could, you know, decouple all these all of these go to the same, you know, same same reservoir now, but in in the case where they would be run independently of one another, you’d get a fraction one fraction two fraction three,


Randall Thompson  22:54



Dr. Jon  22:55

It’s pretty sweet. 


Randall Thompson  22:56

So I’ve been asked numerous times people want to get away from From ovens to decarb,  Mhmm,  this is the way to do that.


Dr. Jon  23:04

Yeah, if you Yeah, if you don’t want to decarb ahead of time, you’re basically losing, you know, you’re, you’re basically losing all those fresh terps. That’s the negative. But if you want to, you know, if you’re going through some sort of ethanol extraction, and you want to basically do a distillate out of that, you’re going to have to decarb before hits the distillate machine. And that means basically cooking the living daylights out of your oil. Okay, and all your terps are basically non usable at that. 


Randall Thompson  23:33



Dr. Jon  23:34

So, that’s one good reason why, you know, co2 is a is a good technique.


Randall Thompson  23:40

What you can capture the terps here as well, in that in that 


Dr. Jon  23:45

yeah, if you were to use this in a certain way, like for example, if you wanted to fractionate a big bucket of terps. Okay, then you could fractionate them into different boiling point settings. Oh, yeah, that’s kind of cool. Just in a different way to use the exact same machine. clarification some of the things about this machine, it’s a C1D2 piece of equipment. It also runs with a co2 inert gas, which no other system on the market does is So, if there is a leak, it’s basically a co2 leak, which is non flammable. So there’s a whole bunch of items in there that people you know, really, like we’ve kind of innovated on that. Okay, so I just wanted


Randall Thompson  24:23

for clarification, you said this is a C1D2 piece of equipment, right? Does that mean that it’s self contained or it needs to be in a C1D2 room?


Dr. Jon  24:31

Well, if there is the requirement for a C1D2 room and there is a room this this would this piece of equipment could go in that okay, right. Got it.


Randall Thompson  24:41

Yeah, thank you. 


Dr. Jon  24:42

Otherwise, you’d have that has to do with the electrical enclosure and all that. So, let me kind of move up here now to my to the different why that fracTRON is the best falling film. Again, we got continuous operation, we got integration with downstream equipment, like I said, you can you can actually decarb in the middle machine and then moving on directly to the this machine or the distillate machine. three independent zones of temperature allows flow control allows adjustment between the different zones, which is really awesome. Each independent zone condensate can be a separate fraction, like I was saying with the you can use in that way. Yeah, that’s also if you for example, if you want to do some distillation of you know, like I said like terpenes are a good option. They’re optional pack bed enables fractionation that’s what I was talking about before, online decarb in the third zone is possible in our gas counterflow no reflux reservoir. That is the reflux reservoir is this is what I’m talking about. You see this, this is where things are, you know, the oil comes down here. And this is a jacketed area and it just cooks in there for a little while. And we’re trying to really maintain the integrity of the oils. So if you can eliminate that cooking exercise that That’s a good thing for your 


Randall Thompson  26:01

and that’s the no reflux reservoir. So you don’t have that. So there’s no place for it to cook because it’s a continuous flow.


Dr. Jon  26:08

Right Right, exactly. Okay. It’s also methods driven. It’s C1D1, or D2 compliant, data logging, automated reporting, all that stuff, reduce maintenance and automated cleaning methods. So that that’s what happens. All of this stuff right here is what happens when you put data systems and have methods driven equipment. 


Randall Thompson  26:26

That’s cool. 


Dr. Jon  26:26

A lot of the other equipment that you see on the market is not it is methods driven, because people have methods but they’re not automated methods. You’re not like loading up method, one, 


Randall Thompson  26:36



Dr. Jon  26:36

program one, or method two program two you know what I mean, with different temperatures and conditions with it. So yeah, that’s the fracTRON. And that’s, so what I have here is a characteristic, you know, comparison chart now, okay, and, disclaimer, these are my own my own opinions. But it also is kind of a feature comparison. So they’re they’re pretty, it’s Pretty good. Everything being equal the fracTRON has way more automation that has to do with the fact that you have three independent control zones, you have three independent pumps, and you can also integrate with a downstream process. So compared to the traditional falling film and the role of app, it’s, it’s way better on automation. In terms of continuous operation, the fracTRON wins, because you really don’t have to re circulate the way you would with a falling film. Okay, and with a rotovap, the falling film probably gets two stars, I guess, because I’d say that you know, it’s a it’s a, you don’t really have to take the thing apart, right. You can just recirculate it with a pump. So data, data and batch logging, I’m kind of going to skip a bunch of these and go to the main things here. You can use packing or tubes, there’s no real there’s no packing or tubes for rotovap. We can you do that. So you have added functionality with the fracTRON and multipass is single contained run that’s us know that that’s the the main thing there. And then it’s also built with all the GMP processes in mind. That’s the main difference here. 


Randall Thompson  28:06

So that’s awesome. 


Dr. Jon  28:07

Yeah, yeah.


Randall Thompson  28:08

Yeah. When so the why, okay. Why would you stay with the rotovap. When these other alternatives are available?


Dr. Jon  28:19

Well, it has to do with perceived cost, perceived or perceived cost in I mean, people have to have, you know, enough money up front to buy a fracTRON. But there’s value in use, you know, because you’re saving on labor, you’re also saving on, you know, basically solvents. And so, we that’s where we have this calculator that we put together so that it’s not really comparing, you know, the ethanol and I’m sorry, rotovap and falling film, but it is comparing ethanol and co2 so we can we can kind of go through that. 


Randall Thompson  28:52

So that’s the real rotovap rumble.


Dr. Jon  28:54

Yeah, that is the real rotovap rumble. I think that yeah, I mean, if we were going to add up if we were to do calculator, which I did not do for like rotovap vs falling film, I think that the main thing would just be, you know, labor labor differences between the two. I mean, if I can take a big vat of, you know, winterized ethanol, with some oil in it and turn on the button, turn the method and just let it run. And I could let it run literally overnight if I wanted to, and there was enough feed in there, you could just run that would be much, much, much better than a rotovap or I’d have to have someone come in, stop it. Empty it. Fill it empty and fill it, you know, that type of thing. It’s just a pain to do. So you bet. Yeah, that that’s the main thing. 


Randall Thompson  29:40

This is awesome. 


Dr. Jon  29:40

So applications, obviously solvent removal from viscous fluids. That’s what we use it for solvent recovery. We also use it for that sure. solvent reproofing. So if you want to reprove your solids, separation of aromas and flavors from extracts that you can use the falling film for that solvent drying and solvent reuse. So these are our different different applications that people would have. That is the end of the slideshow. Yeah. So let me see here. I’m going to push escape here. And I think I’m going to go over here to the calculator. Now, okay, so I made up this calculator here just to kind of show you what to do if you want to calculate the cost of, say, your ethanol evaporation and your cooling and on your heating and all that stuff for the fracTRON or for any process really, okay, so this is and you can get this calculator by going to with an S ethanol dash evaporation and 


Randall Thompson  30:41

libraries on that page. So just the calculators page. And just so you know, if you go there, there’s a big tab button there, you just click on calculators, that’s where that is. So you just click on calculate tours. And then here’s all scroll down letters through the library. Those are all the calculators that are available to you guys


Dr. Jon  30:58

and allies that asked a lot of calculus letters. So yeah, okay, so there’s our calculator here that we’re going to talk about, by the way, we thousands of people are looking at our calculators. They really are. I added up all the people who had been looking at them and using them. And it’s, it’s in the thousands already I was blown away. So, you know, a lot of people are using it to, you know, calculate yield from their crop. They’re using it to, you know, you know, take their do their dosing to their tincture dosing. 


Randall Thompson  31:27

Well, that’s a brilliant idea to put this on our website. Yeah, well done. Good idea.


Dr. Jon  31:34

I think what we need to do is actually the number one is the investor pro forma. Yeah, that is the number one. You know, people want to know. Okay, how do I really go about modeling my business? So that’s the number one and


Randall Thompson  31:48

what that means in layman’s term is how do I make money? 


Dr. Jon  31:50

Yeah, that’s it. 


Randall Thompson  31:51

How do I make a money? That’s it. And you know what, when when I was just talking to this gal from Turkey, as I told you, and I said, Look, we’re not waiting Don’t just sell pieces of machinery which is the best in the world at this. What we do is we teach you how to make money and without and we meet and exceed expectations all along that whole process. 


Dr. Jon  32:13



Randall Thompson  32:13

We don’t we don’t just we’re not just trying to sell you an extractor or a great whiz bang falling film deal. No. Why wait, what’s the sound effect for that?


Dr. Jon  32:24

The Oh, this one over here? 


Randall Thompson  32:26

Yeah, that’s fracTRON. Like that. Yeah. What was what was rotovap besides the 


Dr. Jon  32:34

Oh, the rotovap was a that was that was this one, right? No, no, no, that that was this one. That’s the place. All right. So here we are. Let’s kind of go over this. Oh, sorry. Okay, so ethanol removal cost calculator. So let’s just say you have a process. I don’t care if it’s ethanol or co2, okay. And you want to know how much it’s going to cost you to really remove the ethanol. Okay, now I want to walk you through this because the concepts are important. First of all, the leaders have ethanol that needs to be processed. If you’re doing like a winterization process with a supercritical method, typically you’ll use ethanol to winterize that that oil, okay? Sure, you don’t need to have a lot of ethanol, but you need to have some in order to get it. fluidized. So in, if you use a subcritical method, some people don’t use ethanol at all right, you know, sometimes they just they just take it and run it subcritical the trade off there is that it’s slower that so you know, and usually it’s done at a little bit lower pressure,


Randall Thompson  33:34

and if you run in small batches, that’s okay. 


Dr. Jon  33:36

Yeah, I think so. 


Randall Thompson  33:37



Dr. Jon  33:37

Yeah. That’s good. That’s good. It’s all good. And, you know, I think that there’s a, we had a we were talking to some guy yesterday about the differences between like, why would you want to take the terpenes out ahead of time rather than use your extractor to take them out. So you know, one of those things would be just, you know, you can, they’re decoupled the processes are decoupled, so that you can use them in formulation downstream wherever you want to use them, as opposed to having it all together and you’re kind of stuck with just that. Right. So that’s the that’s the main thing. 


Randall Thompson  34:08

And you also capture a lot more terpenes at decarb. 


Dr. Jon  34:11

Yeah, yeah, you do a lot more. 


Randall Thompson  34:13

And they’re, they’re fresher. Yeah, they’re not because they’re not processed yet.


Dr. Jon  34:16

Yeah. So vacuum distillation is a good idea. All right. So


Randall Thompson  34:22

somebody who was both baked and processed. There’s an interesting conversation with us last week. After tinctures Oh my god. Yeah.


Dr. Jon  34:31

And we were we were definitely mellow afterwards.


Randall Thompson  34:36

Just so you know. I got I got great proposals out that afternoon. 


Dr. Jon  34:42

Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were the discounts. We had to reject everyone. It was everything was discounted,


Randall Thompson  34:48

but I tried guys, I’d really tried for you.


Dr. Jon  34:53

Alright, so here we go. So if you’re going to do about a ton of day of co2, you’re going to need about 540 liters to winterize that and that’s for co2 now, in here, you can get your kilowatt hour if you have a high kilowatt hour if you’re paying a lot for electricity, like Southern California, for example, or whatever this might be up at the, you know, 16 cents, but we pay right around nine cents right now


Randall Thompson  35:21

for the those of you international and there’s a lot of international users of our calculators, everything’s in USD. So yes,


Dr. Jon  35:27

that’s US dollars. So and then what’s the recovery of the ethanol? So this is, this is a question of how much you recover your ethanol in your solution. So, you know, Remember when I said our target was like 5000 ppm or 2000 2000 to 5000 ppm, that’s what we’re looking to do. That would be you know, right up here in the 90% 98% 99% recovery, okay, of the ethanol, okay. Now, not all, not all, solvent removal, apparatuses are equal. So sometimes that’s Like a lot of times, people will use a secondary process along with their Decarb process to remove the ethanol to because there’s a lot of ethanol in there. So if if you degrade in you don’t recover that ethanol. You can see how that cost for the last ethanol goes up. 


Randall Thompson  36:17

Wow, I can see that. 


Dr. Jon  36:18

So if you’re okay, so I have a lot of ethanol in your, in your recovered solvent, your winterized oil, and in your so you’re losing some of it. What are you losing to you while you’re losing it to your decarboxylation Your post decarboxylation process, okay, so that that would be that. And you can see it can be when you’re dealing with very small amounts of ethanol like this, it’s it’s almost not that big a deal. You’re looking okay. Yeah, 98% recovery is about 50 bucks a day. This is the electrical cost that you would have to basically cool that liquid down, heat that liquid up and then evaporate the liquid. I wanted to point out here that evaporation is really where You are spending all your money when it comes to electrical, you know, it really is a, the heat of vaporization is what they call it. And that’s that’s really where you’re spending all your money. So total kilowatt hour, you take this total kilowatt hour times a efficiency factor which I have baked into the calculator. Nothing’s 100% efficient. Okay, so I have some assumptions in there. And that’s where you get this electric


Randall Thompson  37:22

will that come up at my next review.


Dr. Jon  37:24

Yeah, some efficiencies are baked in one


Randall Thompson  37:29

fact that I’m not 100% efficient.


Dr. Jon  37:33

Okay, let’s do let’s do some different things here. Now, if I was to do a ton of day in an ethanol process, right, I mean, you’d be looking at somewhere if you were to do one pound for one gallon of ethanol per pound. Okay, so you’d be looking at 7796 liters.


Randall Thompson  37:55

Have it your way you were glancing at your cheat sheet over there.


Dr. Jon  38:00

Because I made a I made a table there and make sure that I had it all right.


Randall Thompson  38:04

Tables after his tables.


Dr. Jon  38:07

I don’t know what happened to me. When did


Randall Thompson  38:08

I say thank you, Dr. JOHN, when


Dr. Jon  38:10

did I start making tables of data? I don’t know. Are you an analytical chemist? So here we go look at the look at the electrical costs. We got 100 employees doing it at birth I think I don’t think so. I do. That was a learned learn trait. 


Randall Thompson  38:24

Was it? 


Dr. Jon  38:24

Yeah, pretty much. 


Randall Thompson  38:25

I don’t know. 


Dr. Jon  38:26



Randall Thompson  38:26

I’m not sure. Okay, you wouldn’t you’re a little Oh, yeah.


Dr. Jon  38:32

I was making little table little charts. I had a little pencil. Anytime I had that slide roll.


Randall Thompson  38:38

No, you had your grips like setup is.


Dr. Jon  38:43

Alright. So yeah, you can see your electrical cost 222 there first and then your solvent ethanol would be 742. That’s just from the ethanol removal process, not from the extraction process. 


Randall Thompson  38:57



Dr. Jon  38:58

That’s per day. 


Randall Thompson  38:59

Wow. This is based on I see you didn’t mention this, but right now you’re using an 18. Is that an $18?


Dr. Jon  39:05

Yeah, yeah, we can kind of move that down. If you’re gonna denature, you’re gonna go crazy on us and try to kill everybody.


Randall Thompson  39:12

Oh, yeah, don’t do denatured ethanol. Yes. But like a lot right now,


Dr. Jon  39:16

then you can get it down to 454. That’s why people do that, 


Randall Thompson  39:19

but don’t do that. 


Dr. Jon  39:20

Well, I know. But that’s why people do it. Because they’re like, they’re losing money. If they, if they actually pay, like right now the spot price is like 26.


Randall Thompson  39:28

But that’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass. Yeah, you’re talking because the liability is huge.


Dr. Jon  39:33

So do that couple different illustrations here. One would be you know, with co2, you’re talking about the total amount for winterization of right around, you know, let’s just say 600. Okay, and $83 a day versus the, you know, 8000


Randall Thompson  39:49

Wow. Which you’re


Dr. Jon  39:51

talking about 1000 with 228. So, it’s definitely more energy efficient. The co2 method is just from the standpoint of total kilowatts used to heat and cool and evaporate. Gotcha. Yeah. So it’s much more energy efficient. So,


Randall Thompson  40:06

yeah, even everything. So this is this is another calculator. That is phenomenal. Another tool from extraktLAB United Science from Dr. Jon. And we do need to put $1 sign on that. So


Dr. Jon  40:21

yeah, we’ll do that. Yeah, I’ll put us dollars on there. 


Randall Thompson  40:24

Oh, you can, but the dollar sign would be good for you know, that 1000 for a


Dr. Jon  40:28

thing, right. Right here. Yeah, electrical cost here.


Randall Thompson  40:31

And the cost of lost, that’s a good idea. We want to put dollar signs there. Right. So and because then it’s easier to go okay. That’s what I want to pay attention to. And your usage. There’s a lot of people that I’ve been talking to who are really concerned about, you know, their carbon footprint, they’re talking about, you know, how much power they’re using and utilizing in their facility. And, and, and their costs and how do they recapture those costs. And this is, this is it. There’s there’s a lot more More that you’re doing for the environment and, and sustainability and right, you know, all of that using the co2 process because it’s more efficient, you it’s more it’s less costly from a carbon footprint, everything


Dr. Jon  41:16

because the co2 that you’re using is actually a reuse co2 so and has the carbon has already been carbon credit wise it’s already been paid for. But as opposed to ethanol, which is, which is you know, it takes a lot of cars


Randall Thompson  41:30

 if you want to reduce your carbon footprint use co2. man, good stuff.


Dr. Jon  41:34

Yeah. And also reduction of, you know, your total kilowatt hour. So you don’t need to have as much electricity in your building. You know, this is specifically just for one process now, in a whole line of processes. So what you want to do is you want to really look at, you know, first of all, you know, what are all the kilowatts I have for each process, add those all up and then you know, make sure that your building that you have is is addressing That Now, the other thing that you need to think about is with the cooling and the heating, your something that’s not baked into these numbers is you have lots of losses to the atmosphere. Okay? If your cooler is your chillers outside, it’s losing them to the atmosphere outside. But if it’s inside, you have to compensate for those watts that are being dumped into your facility with added tonnage on your, on your chiller, which is your air conditioning. Sure. So because you don’t want your rooms to be really hot. So your your engineer is going to always ask you Okay, so what is the heat load for this particular piece of equipment, because they want to make sure that they had enough cooling power in the room to counteract the heat losses and everything 


Randall Thompson  42:44



Dr. Jon  42:44

so that that’s something you need to think about. When you hire us for your your, your basically your facility layout, we gave you those heat loss calcs


Randall Thompson  42:54

yeah, okay, awesome. I love this. And so to to reiterate. Okay, so when we summarize what we’re doing we’ve got rotovap and then we also have


Dr. Jon  43:10

that’s No, no, that’s not that’s what happens when people talk the


Randall Thompson  43:19

I love it. Okay, so that this is this term here. There. Here’s the yellow one. That’s, yeah, I’m colorblind.


Dr. Jon  43:30

it’s this quadrat one’s Rammstein. So don’t put that one on.


Randall Thompson  43:35

Okay, so we can go. Okay, so how based on rotovap and fracTRON, right? How many fracTRON how many wrote of apps will fracTRON replace? 


Dr. Jon  43:50

Well, it depends on the size of the rotovap.  Okay.  Okay, so the fracTRON is sized for 40 gallons per hour.  Whew,  okay, throughput and It’s a real 40 gallons per hour like, okay, a lot of the a lot of the systems that are out there, they’re like 40 – 50 gallons per hour, but you have to do it three times. 


Randall Thompson  44:09



Dr. Jon  44:09

so you have to take that 40 and divide it by three. 


Randall Thompson  44:12

Oh my gosh, 


Dr. Jon  44:13

see, what I’m saying so that’s a that’s kind of a marketing gimmick, I think. 


Randall Thompson  44:17



Dr. Jon  44:18

So if you have to take if you do 40 gallons per hour, and then you have to do it three times. What is it? What is it? Yeah, it’s Yeah, it’s it’s not 


Randall Thompson  44:26

not efficient. 


Dr. Jon  44:27

Okay. This is a true 40 gallons per hour, you can set it up at 40. It’ll go through actually go through at 40 gallons per hour. 


Randall Thompson  44:34



Dr. Jon  44:34

Yeah. So you know, yeah. So that that’s a thing. So with the rotovap over when you size those. So you can get small ones. You can get one liter five liter 10 liter 20 liter 50 liter. So the throughput on those really has to do with how big that bulb is. Yeah. And they make real I mean, manufacturers make really large ones like hundred liter ones. Yeah, they’re just huge, but can you Imagine trying to get the material out of 100 liter I mean 100 liter flask 


Randall Thompson  45:06

you could put put your arm in 


Dr. Jon  45:07

you could you put your head in? You know, I think 


Randall Thompson  45:12

I am from marsOkay, so let me bang my head against the wall.


Dr. Jon  45:23

Boy, sorry. Okay there James, we cannot have these on here anymore.


Randall Thompson  45:27

Okay, so when we’re talking about fracTRON, what do we Okay, so how at a 20 liter, which is a typical size? 


Dr. Jon  45:34



Randall Thompson  45:34



Dr. Jon  45:35



Randall Thompson  45:35

So how many would that replace? Do you think?


Dr. Jon  45:38

Um, well, I don’t know. Five to 10 at least at the very minimum, probably even more than that more than being very conservative. 


Randall Thompson  45:45

He’s being very it’s 10 to 12 I wasn’t really


Dr. Jon  45:47

Yes. Didn’t do the calculation. So okay, what about 50 That’s why I’m the chief. Right. There you go. We should make the calculator for that. You How do you know that? Did you do Did you did you go into the lab. Then check


Randall Thompson  46:00

out my talk to the guys who are running it out there. All right. All right. So yeah, I’ve even talked to the engineers. Okay. I think I came up with that. on my own. I didn’t know, I know I couldn’t be right. I’m the chief revenue. I’m not a chemist, nor am I an engineer. I’m not an accountant or an attorney, nor do I play one on television. Disclaimer again, but we don’t have the disclaimer on one of these. We should, we really should. But to get to there, what we want to do is we want to make sure that this is the biggest bottleneck in the process.


Dr. Jon  46:37

it is one of them. Yeah, for sure.


Randall Thompson  46:39

You got a couple but this is I think, what I hear when I talk over and over and over to these guys, this is the biggest roadblock because they can get everything all done. And when they hit the rotovaps, it’s like, stop, and even when they add it, there’s all it’s a labor intensive to swap them out, as you saw in that graph everything but you want to Get here. And you don’t want the cost of That’s good. All right. I like it. Alright, so that that’s what we want to do. Alright, so, and you can replace those with a continuous stream. And we got sneaked in there. We didn’t he just kind of blew over this. But you can attach that right to your still 


Dr. Jon  47:24



Randall Thompson  47:25



Dr. Jon  47:26



Randall Thompson  47:26

So it’s continuous through fracTRON. right to your.


Dr. Jon  47:33

Yeah. So basically what you need is an automation for that. And you need sensors to do that with Luckily, on our clearSTILL and our fracTRON they’re made to work together. So there’s a basically an ultrasonic sensor, and a i O, essentially that that that talk to each other and say, okay, slow down, or speed up, go down. So it’s it’s keeping the levels of production For each one of those systems, you know, in in line,


Randall Thompson  48:03

okay, I was getting offended there for a month. I thought you said I had no sense. No, no, no, you were talking about actual sensors not I have no sense. Okay, just checking just making sure that’s good. 


Dr. Jon  48:17

So yeah, I mean, you, you, you have the sensors, you put them on the systems you make them talk together if they’re integrated. What’s awesome about that is you’re gonna go faster for sure. No question about it, just that 


Randall Thompson  48:31

that’s what I want. 


Dr. Jon  48:33

What’s awesome about that also is you don’t have to really deal with moving the winterized oil over to the distillate and pouring it in and storing it in between. They’re good so it almost eliminates the revenue are they actually the inventory? Yeah, which is basically cash sitting in Oh, so now


Randall Thompson  48:52

that goes back to continuous operation, continuous flow and you know less silage, right. That’s really Good. Yeah, it because and that’s part of that process where you go. And that’s the roadblock you don’t want, right? Right. You don’t want to sit there and go, Oh my gosh,


Dr. Jon  49:14

I can’t do that


Randall Thompson  49:15

at all okay, yet, so we don’t want this. We want this. And if you want that, let us know and ask the questions. So I loved everything about this presentation. 


Dr. Jon  49:28



Randall Thompson  49:28

I learned a lot. 


Dr. Jon  49:29



Randall Thompson  49:30

I learned a lot every day with you. 


Dr. Jon  49:31



Randall Thompson  49:32

I do. Okay, so really, really good. And the calculator awesome. Continue to go to these calculators. Any I know that we really bounced here and I’ve got we’ve got questions. But what we’re going to do is we’re going to convert these questions into our frequently asked Q’s FAQ FAQ down online. And by the way, the FAQs are exhaustive, we don’t do just one liners. 


Dr. Jon  49:58

We have 110 Published already 


Randall Thompson  50:01



Dr. Jon  50:02

Yeah, so they’re some of them are. Yeah. 110 unique ones. So


Randall Thompson  50:06

you could go to extraktLAB University, which is our online just going through FAQs. Yes. And the blogs are, you know, the blog posts are not like three sentences. They’re like pages, right? They’re really good. Robust. We’ve got great writers great guidance. Good, folks.


Dr. Jon  50:23

calculators galore.


Randall Thompson  50:25

Yeah, you, you Dr. Jon and Matt Anderson. Do a lot of that writing.


Dr. Jon  50:30

Yeah, we Yeah, we have a good time doing that. So we, we we write them we have different topics. And of course, we have an entire we we must have an entire where we had our, our article backlog is probably on the order of like 100 250 articles, no question about it. We just, you know, we’ve kind of brainstorm everything we need to write on. So I try to put out something once a week,you know, 


Randall Thompson  50:55

very prolific.  like Mark Twain We are on the river. 


Dr. Jon  51:02

Yeah, I guess. So. 


Randall Thompson  51:03

The St. Croix River, by the way, which is awesome. And


Dr. Jon  51:06

you know, so that’s fine. And then we tried to do a video a week, you know, I’ve been looking at the calculators and looking at all of our different pieces of equipment saying, Okay, what calculators would be, you know, useful to our customers? And, yeah, and the people who are trying to get into the business. That’s what we’re here for. 


Randall Thompson  51:22

That’s great. And, and we so appreciate you one of the things that we really like, is talking to you and getting your questions on your business process. What where you are at flow, talking to a lot of startup, by the way. I mean, we haven’t talked about this in quite a while, but the industry itself couple years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s what everything everybody’s saying. That’s a big growth. There’s room for everybody in there and you want to be doing it right. There’s also a push away from that imbedded base of ethanol. Because of the residual factor that you keep hearing from us over and over and over. We hit that hard Because it’s future liability for you. And you know, you see that, you know, what, where’s the biggest element of that residual issue? the tobacco industry, right? Yeah,


Dr. Jon  52:13

yeah, residuals on there, and 


Randall Thompson  52:15

it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass, 


Dr. Jon  52:17

just the cost of solvent recovery alone,


Randall Thompson  52:20

not to mention the cost of the operating costs. So we want to help you, we want to make sure we’re here for you answering your questions on business, using our calculators. We work with startup guys, investors, to evaluate business plans, people who want to get in this finding all the right people, and they’re using our calculators to build their stuff. And I want to make sure and again, well hit the button for the disclaimer, you know, these are our best guess this is what it is, you know, past performance is not indicative of future results. 


Dr. Jon  52:54

People can and do lose money. 


Randall Thompson  52:56

Swim at your own risk, do not drive and 


Dr. Jon  52:58

drowsiness or death occurs. 


Randall Thompson  53:00

Death may occur. Well, death always occurs. 


Dr. Jon  53:04

Well, unfortunately. 


Randall Thompson  53:05

We’re human. Yes, I guess. Well, most of us 


Dr. Jon  53:07

death and taxes. 


Randall Thompson  53:08

Yes, exactly. 


Dr. Jon  53:09

Certain things, you know.


Randall Thompson  53:11

I love it. So thank you again for the time. Oh, by the way, we got to figure out I want the where it says Join us next week for topic. 


Dr. Jon  53:20

Oh my word. 


Randall Thompson  53:21

What are we going to do now? 


Dr. Jon  53:21

Why don’t we do the clearSTILL till next week, we can do the same thing we’ll do.


Randall Thompson  53:24

 I’ll just do the comparison do a continuous flow. 


Dr. Jon  53:26

And we’ll do the calculators and yeah, continuous flow. We could talk because


Randall Thompson  53:31

I’m out of my sense, apparently. Let’s do it. Okay, fine. Okay, so we’re going to do that. That’s, that’s good. Technical. Well, man down, man down. We keep doing that. So we thank you for being here. Next week. We’re going to do clairsville 


Dr. Jon  53:47

we’re going to do all all things distillation, 


Randall Thompson  53:48

distillation, yeah, this stuff. Okay, so we’re going to do all things distillation next week. You heard it here. So that means we’ve got we’ll probably just pull out of the air distillation guide a calculator video. Whenever, by the way, if you’ve got garb, extraktLAB garb, get that, put it on, take a picture, get it on there, because we’re going to hand out and then watch the videos, because we’re going the next 10 comments on any video entered will will be entered in to win a drainDROYD hoodie. All right, I want to drainDROYd hoodie. But that would be so cool. I could wear it here and I could put it up over my head. I would I would do that. I would I would be so modeling that. There we go. Wouldn’t it be cool me and a hoodie? It would be? 


Dr. Jon  54:42

Yeah, it wouldn’t wouldn’t be bad. You could do it. 


Randall Thompson  54:44

What do you mean, it wouldn’t be bad that’s not vociferous enough. There’s somebody with a hoodie use the word vociferous? 


Dr. Jon  54:51

I don’t know. 


Randall Thompson  54:55

I’m thinking I think I do have a hoodie you did. 


Dr. Jon  54:58

Well then there you go. Someone with a hoodie. does use the word I think it’s a workout hoodie, right?


Randall Thompson  55:04

I don’t know if I’ve ever put the hood up. Yeah, yeah. Do you have to wear mittens? I’m thinking about when I grew up that T shirt, t shirt, or do you know? Okay, next week all things distillation resources, calculators, live tour CBD. jam sessions call us. Lucas Eli manual myself. We’re ready to talk about anything. And also our chat is on fire. 


Dr. Jon  55:33



Randall Thompson  55:34

Oh my gosh.


Dr. Jon  55:34

Yeah. We have Oh, chat on our website. Yeah.


Randall Thompson  55:37

Yeah. I want to talk about


Dr. Jon  55:38

that for a minute. Oh, maybe you ever do that real quick. James, can I get over to the real quick? 


Randall Thompson  55:43

We have our we have our bot.


Dr. Jon  55:45

Yeah. So we were working on a little our little robot guy. There he is right there. 


Randall Thompson  55:50

He looks a little high. 


Dr. Jon  55:55

Let’s see. Let’s see what he does. Let’s see what he does. Oh, look at this. Oh, Yeah, I asked, okay, well, do you want access to our advanced Secrets of the Universe? I kind of changed that question. So you know, when people click on a VHS Yeah, like that. So yeah, if you if you, if you, if you really click on one of these, it will take you into, you know, hey, here are some resources for you, if you want to chat with a person you’ve been chatting with, you can go ahead and put that in there. And I don’t know, it’s just a good resource. resources,


Randall Thompson  56:26

that would be fun. So challenge to all of you watching stump our bot. But it will take you everywhere you want to go. So if you’re an investor, and you want to get to calculators, or you’re building things, you want to get to different things. It’ll give you resources, it’ll give you calculators. I’m impressed.


Dr. Jon  56:44

Yeah, I was pretty impressed by


Randall Thompson  56:46

the way it works. And in the way you set it up. And Dr. Jon set this up. This is what this is what he likes to do in his spare time.


Dr. Jon  56:53

It was fun. Yeah, so we’re going to be putting in more and more and more, you know, linking to specific  resources so that based on you know your needs, so you will self select yourself, you just click in there. Also we have a war. Basically we’re adding in some keywords in there. And that will allow you to really, you can type in okay supercritical extractor, and it will take you to resources there. So that should be pretty good,


Randall Thompson  57:18

which is awesome. And any anytime you can get to any of our team members, either through chat or we can I think we can get on a phone call or even a zoom or a video chat right away, right on anything through this. So ask anytime we try to rotate who’s available because we work when you work and we try to be available even evenings and weekends. Because we work around the world. And we try to do that. So Eli’s in the background going, yep, ready? Call me at 11pm because that’s when he is. This is jive Exactly I like it. Because the reality is when we’re when we’re running, that’s what we’re doing the bot is there. So thank you for building that 


Dr. Jon  58:08

no problem 


Randall Thompson  58:08

and and be here for us. Okay, so check out all the other resources live tour CBT jam sessions that we can even get to here. The guides are on there calculate mini courses. We did everything. The rotovap rumble today next week. It’s the distillation militia


Dr. Jon  58:24

Yeah, we had to come all things a solution. I mean,


Randall Thompson  58:28

all right. And remember, we don’t want that. We want that. 


Dr. Jon  58:34



Randall Thompson  58:35

I love it. I being 


Dr. Jon  58:36

Thank you guys. 


Randall Thompson  58:37

It’s cards and questions coming in. Great show. Thank you very much. 


Dr. Jon  58:42

All right, here we go. 


Randall Thompson  58:44

Yes, nice. Good show. Well done.


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